Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups [Game On!]

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unvote: Wanderers

vote: Romanic

Fixed.

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@Rysto

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Looks like town, actually. I mean, it’s not a sure thing of course, and I don’t think you should be out of suspicion for it, but around here four scum is typical of 20 players, not 30.

Agreed, but that actually makes me more suspicious of Romanic, not less. I can’t imagine how any Town player could conclude on Day One that there were only 4 scum in a 30 player game. On the face of it it seems like way too few. PIS is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Vote Romanic

:dubious:

Where we play together, a significantly lower number of scum per townie is typical. Often the mafia get more than one kill to compensate, or there are other things to make it balance, which usually it does.

Now there’s the lack of claim, though.

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NETA: I don’t know where that :dubious: smilie came from. It wasn’t meant to indicate my response to Rysto.

[lilflower]

@Total_Lost

I don’t believe this is an recruiting game (other than the mechanism already pointed out by the Moderator). That’s based purely on the gut feeling that the Moderator of this game don’t strike me as a game-designer that would find twists like that okay.

Also - 4 scum with 30 players?

I’m not going to vote on that. As for now I tend to believe that it was simply a brain-fart regarding another game.

I due however find it strange than Drain Bead would point her finger at any player pointing out that there was a slip.
Because there was - I personally just don’t see it as a Scum-slip. But the slip was there and should be addressed.

How do you think the slip should be addressed?

[special_ed]

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NETA: Romanic is a guy.

And using my dead time to add I really don’t want him to go down like this in his first game here, on a personal level. The disappointment will be only slightly eased if he actually is mafia.

There’s the newbie compassion I was talking about before seeing the 3+1 Scum thing

[storyteller0910]

Perhaps a vote count?

Romanic – 11 votes – special ed (466), GuiriEnEspana (469), One and Only Wanderers (471), Drain Bead (472), brewha (480), NAF1138 (486), Mahaloth (487), lilflower (496), Normal Phase (497), Telcontar (498), Rysto (500)
Drain Bead – 1 vote - Idle Thoughts (359)
Natlaw – 1 vote - Chipacabra (443)
Chipacabra – 1 vote - Romanic (456)

By the way, dear everyone: I am not going to make any effort to remain consistent with whether or not I capitalize the names of specific players. Sincerely, Me.

[Astral_Rejection]

I can see why some people might be hesitant to vote for Romanic, because 4 scum for 30 folks sounds low to me too. But we haven’t had a full cycle play out yet; tomorrow, who knows how many people could be dead?

But before I hop on a bandwagon, let’s see what else he’s got posted. His first couple of posts here are fluff, so we can safely ignore those.

I still think this post is weird. I know he’s coming from a different board, so the culture there might be different, but to say he can’t even IMAGINE why editing would be suspicious? Weird.

@Romanic

I don’t see why you would want to restrict it, or even see someone as suspicious just because he has edited a post.

He even repeats that assertion here:

@Romanic

If this is true then it’s a no brainer that post editing should not be seen as suspicious. Editing a post within five minutes is pretty much like correcting it before posting it, and will mostly be used to fix errors rather than dramatically change its content.

This, for me, is just ever so slightly scummy. It really sounds like he wants to reserve the right to edit small mistakes, and he wants us all to accept that scum have reserved that right.

@Romanic

Yeah, I’ve seen similar mistakes. It’s sad really to win/lose the game on a mistake like this, when the fun part is trying to figure out who is mafia based on thread behavior and game actions. I have no problem with someone editing/removing his post if he makes a blunder like this.

He’s responding to Rysto in this particular post. So now, we’ve gone from not even imagining a situation in which someone scummy would want to edit, to having seen it multiple times before? I can accept that he finds it “sad” to win or lose a game on such an egregious mistake like that, but that’s what Mafia is all about. Scum make mistakes, and we have to ferret them out. If he were town, wouldn’t he want to limit editing for exactly that reason?

Then there’s a section where he and I are talking past each other about editing. It starts here if you’re interested: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12982343#post12982343 Nothing jumped out at me as scummy in that exchange; it’s a lot of him and me talking past each other.

He votes for Chipa for as reasonable a reason as anybody can have this early in the game, and I can’t find anything there that pings my scumdar. I don’t agree with his reasoning (I see where Chipa is coming from; it’s a prodding vote, not a lasting vote, right?), but it’s fair enough.

But then we come to the major slip. An exact number of scum. I’ll admit, it’s tempting to accept his explanation as presented. After all, that’s a MAJOR scum slip, and I’d except scum to be far more careful about that sort of thing. But, as was noted over and over again in the spoiled LOTR thread, town is generally far too willing to accept or come up with twisted, convoluted explanations for things when the simple, direct reason is the correct one. I can’t give you a pass for this, Romanic, especially not with the oddities in your earlier posting history.

Vote Romanic.

[Telcontar]

@Rysto

@Normal_Phase

Looks like town, actually. I mean, it’s not a sure thing of course, and I don’t think you should be out of suspicion for it, but around here four scum is typical of 20 players, not 30.

Agreed, but that actually makes me more suspicious of Romanic, not less. I can’t imagine how any Town player could conclude on Day One that there were only 4 scum in a 30 player game. On the face of it it seems like way too few. PIS is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Vote Romanic

Well, his defense is that he was thinking of another game entirely, which would explain the incongruity. I still think he needs to swing, but the “it makes so little sense that he’d only say it if it were true!” point doesn’t actually count against him.

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@brewha

My isn’t this a sticky wicket for Romanic? My intial thought was that 4 scum are much too few for a game of this size and I wanted to believe that Romanic may have actually just been thinking of a different game.

If that is the case, I’m pretty sure that at least one of those quick to vote for him is opportunistic scum that just found a good reason to place a vote on a townie.

However, there’s no reason to believe that this is a straight town vs scum game. There could be any number of PFKs or masons type roles. Maybe there are only 4 scum.

If this is the case, I would assume that there is going to be scum recruiting every night - or they have no chance of winning. And, if this is the case, Romanic obviously has to be lynched.

I guess there’s only one way to resolve this for certian

Vote Romanic

and another thought just occurred to me.

If Romanic is Scum, it might have been a thought they wanted out there so we’d think it was true when they got lynched.

However,

and this is a big However. I mean, see how big it is?

Why would he do it if he weren’t already on the block to be lynched?

Unless he wants to be lynched, as a Scum bomb or something. I dunno. We always seem to talk about Scum bombs but then we never seem to have them.

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Also 4 might not be such a small number if there are half dead people again who count toward the Scum win condition.

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@special_ed

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NETA: Romanic is a guy.

And using my dead time to add I really don’t want him to go down like this in his first game here, on a personal level. The disappointment will be only slightly eased if he actually is mafia.

There’s the newbie compassion I was talking about before seeing the 3+1 Scum thing

He’s also a good guy, and an excellent mafia player. I’d been thinking about trying to get him in a game over here for a while (along with Mrs McGinty and a couple others). I hope I can convince him to do so again, however this turns out.

[Astral_Rejection]

I’m not familiar with bombs. Correct me if my guess is wrong: they kill someone who voted for them?

[special_ed]

still catching up and wanting to remind everyone that we caught Scum on Day 1 in the original game for role fishing.

Despite how odd it seemed that Scum would slip that way, it worked.

[One_And_Only_Wanderers]

@special_ed

Also 4 might not be such a small number if there are half dead people again who count toward the Scum win condition.

How did this work in Evil Dead?

I have read the wiki for the film, and the very scare wiki for ED2, but how did this work as a game mechanic? NK’d people became zombies?

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@Astral_Rejection

I’m not familiar with bombs. Correct me if my guess is wrong: they kill someone who voted for them?

Yes, sometimes they get to pick, sometimes it’s the first or the last.

[Suburban_Plankton]

Well, I appear to have arrived a little late to the party this morning…I don’t have much to add that hasn’t already been said before (but I won’t let that stop me). A couple thoughts:

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[li]I agree that 4 Scum among 30 players seems like a ‘lower than normal’ number. On the other hand, when was the last time any of you played a ‘normal’ game of Mafia?[/li][li]I’m a bit bothered by Romanic’s refusal to make a role claim, but *only *a bit. I agree with the points made concerning the value of Claiming at this point, but consider this: It’s only Tuesday. We still have something like 4 days left before Dusk. That’s a long time for ‘something else’ to pop up that is more suspicious that Romanic’s slip-up. He might simply be biding his time to see if he really needs to Claim or not. If that’s the case, I think that suggests that he had something to hide, but that could equally likely mean he’s Scum *or *a Town Power.[/li][/ul]

As I said, there’s a long way to go before Dusk, but at this point I don’t think we can overlook this particular faux-pas.

vote Romanic

[Pleonast]

Just got back from vacation. Looks like I’m too late for this game?

[Oredigger77]

I just not sure what to make of the Romantic thing. On the one hand if I was going to assume number of scum I would guess 30^.5 or 5-6 scum so I could see saying 4 +1 but 4 total is way off. Unless there is either PIS or confusion with another game. I think the PIS is more probable.

I don’t like early Day bandwagons since there is a high likelihood of scum taking an easy opportunity to jump on the first town slip. I’m temped to look at the early bandwagon joiners as a group of people where scum are more likely to be present.

But damn the slip was so bad I can’t ignore it. I think it’s early so I’ll get my vote out there but I doubt it will stick, if for no other reason then to start working on my case for toMarrow since our votes are sticky.

[NAF1138]

@Normal_Phase

No, there’s a culture difference here. If you’re going down anyway, it is expected to role claim. Occasionally vanillas will refrain, but no one else (unless you’re Pleonast, who is not in this game). Reason being, if you have a good claim, we have the option to let you off the hook, temporarily or permanently, and to later draw conclusions based on that claim and the reactions to it. It’s a town-friendly thing to do, and not even necessarily a death sentence.

If you are mafia, then claiming is even more important (for the rest of us, that is). You surely have only a limited supply of decent claims; you’d have to use one up. Honestly, if you don’t put up a claim pretty darn quick under the circumstances, I’m going to assume you’re mafia and just want to save them for your teammates.

Wait…So, you know that Romanic is likely not claiming because of a difference in mafia cultural understanding, but you are voting for him anyway?

Even though you also think that it is likely that he got confused as to what game he was talking about because the other place you play together usually doesn’t have many scum.

Even though you know that he probably won’t claim at the lynch block?

Um…how do I tell you that I think you are smarter than this without insulting you at the same time?

I am keeping my vote where it is for now because I don’t think that 4 scum is too few necessarily, but damn NP, that is some heavy selling up the river.

[NAF1138]

Also, Romanic, if you are town claiming now would be a good thing. Otherwise we are just going to stop looking for other scum and you are just going to be lynched anyway.

If you are not town feel free to not claim, because you are gonna get lynched for not claiming.