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yeeps and peeps.
another defining moment at the dope. briston is a sheep fucker and now roman is ass cum. i love this place.
sorry oy but woot the fucking woot.
Huh?
The guy just said he has to try to make up a PM that looks like Storytellers.
Sorry if you have astounding faith in your friend but I’ve seen that before and what it looks like is: Scum giving up and just admitting they’re scum.
Unless he’s joking, obviously, but not a very good time to joke as both YOU and I know scum have done that before in our games (Where they drop the disguise and just live out the rest of their Day time in full, scummy openess.“Ahhh well, you’ll all get yours! Muahaha”).
So what are you on about?
I wasn’t trying to be convincing in that part of the post and while it is a ridiculous defense all town should use that as point 1 in their things I know to be true list. I base all of my actions on the knowledge that I am not scum. When I evaluate people one of the things that I look for is if they consider themselves town. It’s not a dead give away but I think in general but I think it is indicative.
Well I’m not sold on the case since there are reasonable explanations for why it might not be PIS, well before this weird hitchhiker claim. I think that the people jumping on the case will hold a higher percentage of scum then the population as a whole so I have some additional concern joining with them on top of being previously unsold on the case. So there was a lot of hedging on my part but either way I’m planning, assuming I get some free time this week, to take a look at those other people and move my vote.
NP was commenting on another post, not this one about me joking, but I can’t believe you thought I was serious. 
Btw, this place is in dire need of smiley donations.
Ass cum. That needs to go on the Wiki, pronto.
That post by romanic wasn’t there when I commented about the weird role but damn that’s a weird role.
I don’t see the benefit to town to have a person be able to remove himself unless we’re talking about narrowing the unconfirmed pool. The color on the other hand definitely fits Story’s style. I’m inclined to believe it but I think that at this point it would be best is Romanic used his powers since it would free us up from a mislynch and I don’t think that claim is enough to alleviate the suspicion against him.
So. Taking Romanic’s claim at face-value, my gut reaction is that the use of his power at this point would be pro-Town, but my head is talking me out of it. The danger, of course, is that we go on to fling the usual Day One votes around and end up exposing other, more useful power roles. I’m curious as to what everyone else thinks about this–should Romanic use his power ASAP? Why or why not?
Errr – that post was in response to you (above, where you questioned me about “I don’t like this post of Idle’s”), not to Romanic. Lots of cross-posts. I know exactly what Romanic looks like.
Oh, I get it now. She’s still talking about me saying “not many people were for” Total Lost’s idea.
Well, I still disagree, as Total Lost’s idea is a spin off of a mass claim. Like a mass claim, she’s proposing the idea of everyone revealing something from their PMs, So since people are against a mass claim (thus revealing anything), it seems to me it’s not a far reach to say, gee, they might be against revealing anything–as a mass group–right now.
So I still would say “most people aren’t for” TL’s idea. No idea why Nphase is singling me out when Special Ed said the same exact thing I did in his post 462. So obviously her continuing to talk about just doesn’t trip my meter.
As for smilies, haha, no worries, Romantic, I’m not really as aggressive or mean as I sound. 
I used to make smiles more often, actually, in games…until a debate actually broke out (of all things) as to whether or not scum would be more apt to use smiles. I kid you not. Read Mafia III on here, if you have the chance.
Errr…are you sure you don’t want to rethink this post?
You are inclined to believe Romanic. So you think he’s Town.
Yet you think he should use his power anyway. Thus guaranteeing that Town loses one person Today.
And this will “free us up from a mislynch”. Because we have another lynch candidate waiting in the wings who we are *really *certain is Scum?
It sounds to me like you’re advocating a guaranteed Town death to be followed up by a crap-shoot that is as likely as not (since it’s only Day 1) to result in a second Town death.
It was the “most people” thing, Idle, not the objection itself (which as you point out, several do share (more now than at the time)). Because it wasn’t factually true, it looked like you were trying to borrow more authority with that statement than it deserved, you know? Like when a politician gets up on the stump and says “Americans want Senator X thrown out of office”, and then you look at the poll and only 20% want him thrown out, 10% want to keep him, and the remaining 70% have no opinion or never heard of the guy.
It’s a small point. I do hope I’ve made myself clear.
That is the only case where that role would be useful. I know that in the wake of the game where Nanook committed suicide for the win(Simpletown I?) sach suggested that it could be a useful role.
If Romanic is telling the truth, the use of his power costs us a half-mislynch. If we lynch him that’s a full mislynch, so it would appear to be a good trade me. I think that I’d be in favour of him using his power. I need to think a bit further, though, because a consequence of this reasoning would mean that it would always be in Town’s favour for a day-killing Vig to kill the Day’s lynch target, which seems wrong to me. Hm.
Again, I’m equating TL’s idea with the idea of a mass claim, which YES, most people did seem against. How is TL’s idea so hugely different from a mass claim? Both require you to reveal things from your PM,…which most people, at least appearing to me, didn’t seem to want to do.
But you’re right about one thing, it is a small thing. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. It’s not like I voted for TL over it.
But it seems to be futile to keep debating this small thing back and forth, haha. I just disagree with you, that’s all. 
Not quite what I meant.
I think he might be town that could be a third party PM slightly revised or a cover role. Lynching him was the mislynch I was talking about and him escaping would stop it from occurring. I have no idea what his escape does to our total available mislynches but I assume it’s better then lynching him.
I also think he has a lot of suspicion on him and without a verifiable power there is no way to clear that up. So there will continue to be discussion about when to lynch him, or have him escape, which will distract the town. Him using his power will free the town up for more profitable discussions and if it is in fact a cover role show it to be one.
I think you’re missing is that we then have less time to figure out the next lynch target and could still have a mislynch so for a Day there could be 1.5 mislynches instead of 1.
I don’t think he should use his power. We should either let him live and find another target, or lynch him.
A single player leaving the game toDay instead of two seems like the most conservative play.
I’ve just finished reading through the posts made since I left this morning.
On the Romanic situation.
I am not convinced that the slip was a piece of PIS, but am prepared to accept it’s what he says it is - a mixup between games. The reason for that is that I consider a 4-player Mafiate implausible for a game this size. I’d expect more (or less, if we have a full-recruitment game going.)
On the other hand, his refusal to claim is (IMO) correct Mafia play. By hunkering down and refusing to defend himself, he avoids forcing his teammates to take positions on his defence, which could later be used as evidence to lnch them. (If memory serves, at least one of the Deadites in EDI was exposed because of contrast between their reactions to Macey and later claims.)
On the gripping hand, Romanic has now claimed.
His posted PM has that authentic Storyteller feel, meaning it’s his actual role or a cover. The claimed power might, under certain circumstances, be useful; the trouble is I don’t think that Day 1 is one of those circumstances. It’s more useful in a close endgame to reduce the unknown pool in which the mafia fish are swimming.
It is, however, a testable claim, and use of the power would prove that Romanic has the power. Not using the power, however, doesn’t diisprove the hypothesis that he holds the power. However, the longer he goes without using it, the more likely it will seem to me to be a bluff.
I’m not going to vote for Romanic now; instead I’ll poke around elsewhere. I reserve the right to push a vote his way if he does not use the power by (say) this time tomorrow.
So let me see if I can summarize your points:
- Of the people voting for Romanic, a higher percentage are Scum than the percentage of Scum in the game. So, Scum are jumping on the bandwagon for Romanic at a higher rate than non-Scum.
- You aren’t sold on the case.
- You admit that you hedged.
- You jumped on the bandwagon anyway.
- You expect to get off the bandwagon which contains a higher percentage of Scum after you get a chance to look at other people, time permitting.
So wait…wait…you’re really confusing me. Let me summarize this:
- People aren’t going to believe the claim.
- You’re inclined to believe it.
- Romanic should just leave so we don’t mislynch him.
Isn’t this the same as starting the game with 1 fewer Town player? How does this absolve us of a mislynch? Are we guaranteed success with our lynch toDay if Romanic leaves?
and then the part I underlined, There’s no benefit to Town,you think Romanic is Town and so you want Romanic to make an anti-Town move?
huh?
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