FWIW, I’m pretty sure the rules post implies that they DO have day talk. The rules say you can post any time anywhere.
The question I have about Oy! is, would scum have not noticed that the power roles were individualized based on the sample Vanilla PM? I think they would have, my guess is that Oy! isn’t scum.
As for Digger…
I have been thinking about his claim, and on the one hand I do believe that story probably gave scum cover roles and I liked the case against him before. Also if we lynch him we can learn a little bit about Oy!
On the other, I am getting a bad feeling about his lynch and the way he is going down. It feels townie to me.
I almost unvoted him this post but I am not totally ready to go that way yet. I have a couple of threads I want to check on first before I decide if this is the way I am going to land toDay.
My issue is that I think a VT could honestly ask if there’s a game in which vanilla roles are different, because if the only experience they’ve had is with games where they are the same, and they possess a vanilla role, then they’re going to guess that the person putting forth a different vanilla role is probably lying.
Apologies for my ignorance, but what is a ‘vanilla handshake’ (other than something that sad, middle-aged men buy for €30 in a certain district of Amsterdam)?
As I recall, you’re still voting for me. Could you explain what it is that makes me your #1 suspect at this point?
Could you explain how you arrived at the decision to mention it?
That was incoherent. Sorry.
Look at it this way. Let’s say Oy is VT. Oy has his(?) role, and has not seen any others. Someone else posts a role that claims to be VT, but is different in color than Oy’s role. Oy has only seen games in which the VT color was identical. Oy therefore believes that the claimant is lying because the color is different, but asks the question to make sure before saying anything.
Does that make more sense?
Thanks.
Yes, this appears to be true
it does make sense for a Scum who doesn’t want to use up a claim that might come in handy later for someone else on the Scum team. Someone who might have a better chance of wiggling out of the noose.
The only games I’ve ever seen, including Evil Dead 1, had standardized vanilla roles. It was an honest question, raised by the fact that Oredigger’s role is not the same as mine. I do not and have never thought he was Scum, but I have to allow for the possibility that this is in fact a cover provided by Story as well as what I consider the likelihood that it is in fact an actual vanilla role. Either way, it’s different from mine, and since I’d never seen differing vanilla roles, I was surprised and wanted an idea of how plausible it was. From what you all are saying, it’s not uncommon, so there goes the thought that this is in any way confirmed as a cover role.
I was out at the store; sorry I didn’t answer sooner.
Sure.
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I figured if Oy! wasn’t scum (and I am leaning that way) scum would likely have noticed. I know as scum that is exactly the type of post I watch for (see my post earlier in the thread about power roles broadcasting their status. That’s one of the types of post I was talking about). My rule of thumb is generally, if I saw it scum probably saw it too. We can minimize that damage by getting the information out in the open and talking about it.
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I am leaning town on Oy!, but I am not convinced enough to not believe it wasn’t possibly a scum slip and I wanted to see what other people had to say so I could help make up my mind. A lot of my choices in the game are informed by how other people react to new information.
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The other reason I almost held back was I was concerned that this topic of conversation might expose town power roles or vanillas, but I ultimately decided that we all need to take care to not expose ourselves and that I shouldn’t shy away from topics because I am afraid others can’t prevent themselves from accidentally being exposed or giving away more information than they want to.
This just rings scummy to me.
it’s yet another example of “oh, I can’t seem to find anyone Scummy”
Player list Rules Necronomicon ex Mortis (and vanilla PM in next post)
Claims:
Romanic - Town Hitchhiker (special) - claim, exit post
Oredigger77 - Pharmaceutical Sales Representative (vanilla) - claim
So you are claiming Vanilla then?
Think carefully before answering.
Oh, I’m still catching up. I hope someone has already answered this without making me look like too much of an idiot.
are you claiming vanilla then?
The short answer is that if the game isn’t constructed carefully, vanilla town can break the game by confirming bits of their role PM with each other in semi secret, creating what is potentially a very large pool of confirmed town very early in the game.
One way to prevent that is to post a vanilla PM to that the whole game has access to the same information, another is to make every PM unique. Story seems to be using a combination of the two as advertised by the fact that the sample PM lists Iceman as the player and I doubt that all the vanilla in this game are actually Iceman.
Nothing. That’s why I moved on.
In Harry Potter, my prod votes were largely ignored until about 3 votes in, when someone I wasn’t even voting for suddenly started reacting and calling me out. That person turned out to be scum.
In my experience, the person who reacts most strongly to my prod votes has a higher chance of being scum.
No, Romanic’s vote seemed like a normal reaction.
Here’s the theory: I know I’m town. Scum know I’m town. If my prod votes happen to land on a scum, it is not uncommon for either that scum or another scum to panic and try to fix the situation. (this isn’t the optimal move for scum, of course, but you can never give credit for perfect play.) So they try to discredit me. But they don’t want to vote for me first, since when I flip town (and remember, scum knows I’ll flip town.) that would put a bullseye on them. Which usually means calling me out, but not voting for me. Which, hey, is exactly what Rysto did, which is why my vote stayed on him as long as it did.
FTR, the more I review, the more persuaded I am that Rysto is not scum. In particular, he was instrumental in the arguments for Roman to walk early, when convincing him to stay and be lynched would have been a big advantage for scum.
Looks like links are no longer allowed in signatures so I cannot update so you’ll all just have to use your browser bookmarks / favourites.
Yeah, yeah, I always ring scummy to you.
It’s Day one. I’m still looking, and I’m talking out loud as I do it.
It does and it seems to be what Oy is claiming.
The fact of the sample PM makes this claim a bit sticky though.