If it helps more let me rephrase a bit from that last post.
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This is why I am positive that DB, for example, isn’t vanilla town and it is also why I am fairly sure that peek isn’t. The only sticking point is that peek may just not have been paying attention to what way going on. Going by the way that post was phrased and some of his other play in the game, that is a real possibility. That said, I still lean heavily toward not vanilla town for peek rather than not paying attention, but it’s less of a slam dunk with peek than with others.
Frankly, I’m a bit surprised too. My review of the purported slip showed an inconsistency which I felt warrented a vote, but I’m taken aback by the number of people who jumped on so quickly. I think regardless of whether peeker flips Scum or not, we’re looking at some opportunistic voting here.
True, one of those statements must be false. But that does not necessarily imply that peeker lied. It could have been an ‘honest’ mistake. If it was a lie, then he ought to be strung up. If it was a mistake, it’s a null tell.
ok, not to get too hot under the collar but this is the the type of post that makes me get fucking pissed.
i have never played with oy before (at least as far as i know). it seemed like she asked an innocent question. i merely replied with what i consider to be our mod’s modus operandi. that is that based on my experience with story that not all pm’s will necessarily be constructed identically. so one niller townie pm does not equal another niller townie pm. capiche.
Love you too peek. But really, if you had a niller town PM why would you possibly think that Oy! would ever have not understood that they weren’t all the same.
So why do you think it’s more likely that peeker wasn’t paying attention?
My position has never been that it’s possible for your average experienced VT to misread that–my position has been that it’s possible for a vanilla newbie to have said what Oy! did. Again, I myself would not have asked that question, but I can see how someone who has never played and who has never followed a game without a standardized VT role PM might ask that question, in an attempt to see if it’s possible that someone might have a VT PM that conflicts with their own. This position has nothing to do with the role that I got, because it has nothing to do with my own reading of the situation–it has to do with Oy! and her question. I think NAF’s issue here is trying to impart my idea of what Oy! might have been doing onto my own gameplay, and using that to extrapolate what my role might have been. I might as well be saying “Well, NAF, by making this argument you must be claiming VT, because only someone who had the information of their own vanilla role would be taking your position.”
Because Oy! is a newbie, and wasn’t aware that there are games in which they are different?
If, by some strange twist of fate, peeker turns out to be vanilla (just in case ed isn’t certain of my opinion, I think you’re both Scum), will you maybe change your mind about me? Because remember, I wasn’t saying anything about what I thought–I was saying what I thought Oy! might be thinking.
Whereas your response reads like “don’t even bother thinking about motivation, because scum might do anything”. Which is also invalid. Did you even think about what I said? There is no advantage to killing me to frame someone else that can’t be more safely accomplished by letting me live to pursue my suspicions myself. That means no good motive. I have also never seen such a thing be carried out or suggested in 10-20 games playing scum. That means no empirical evidence that scum might do such a thing either. That’s plenty good enough for me to be drawing conclusions on.
Never seen an active player with no votes on them vigged on night one, either, especially not with so many other options available, starting with Chipacabra and ending with Omi no Kami.
Because vigs don’t throw darts.
Sorry, I’m rather liking my magic bag right at the moment. It goes well with my shoes.
unvote: Telcontar vote: lilflower
May as well. Suspicion of me is one thing, but not when coupled with an attack on my perfectly legitimate conclusions.
i was merely trying to help what appeared to be a fucking newb on this board that seems to be all hot and bothered about finding clues that sometimes (more often than not) that the fucking mods (especially story) are not that fracking stupid.
unless you are suggesting that you and oy have some knowledge that the rest of us don’t.
I think the issue that people are having with you is that there’s no good reason for you to have found his claim that the book was gone sufficient reason to discard your suspicion. Here’s a hypothetical:
NAF is scum or otherwise non-Town. He gets the Book. He wants to keep the Book. But when he says so, he starts getting grief for that, including from you. So in the morning he says “whoops, Book is gone”! I think the properly consistent, paranoid-townie response to that is a sarcastic “well, heck, isn’t that convenient”. As opposed to how you actually did react.
based on my last little conversation with naf. no fucking way. ain’t giving scum a blueprint for false claims.
now for all i know they already have some, but maybe not. i am not doing any additional work for them on the odds that they are just fishing like mother fuckers at this point.
they’ve got a townie in their sites and enough go alongs to get my ass lynched. sorry, no more help for them.
I’ve already explained it a ton of times.
Him having the book is fact…so, in turn, saying he’s going to keep it is, chances are, fact.
Now he’s saying it’s gone. No matter if he’s telling the truth or lying…he’s not saying he’s going to be keeping it anymore.
I already gave my own analogy. The analogy if you were voting for someone and I found your vote suspicious. If you stop voting for them (or even if you’re forced to stop voting for them against your will), my suspicions would slacken considerably.
He’s saying it’s gone. He COULD be telling the truth. That’s my whole point. We don’t know. We don’t know who is telling the truth and who is lying. So I don’t find him suspicious right now any more than I find ANY of you overly suspicious. It’s a coin flip.
Yeah. I can look at the available evidence that I have at my disposal and say that there is not a chance in hell all the PMs were constructed the same way.
If you are unwilling to give up your PM then I have to conclude that you are scum Peek. The blueprint that you don’t want to hand out was given to us by Storyteller at the start of the game. We also have a PM posted by Oredigger that is claimed to be a Vanilla PM. You might have forgotten about it, but it was that PM that started the whole thing with Oy! in the first place.
@DB, if peek turns out to be vanilla I will consider reconsidering my position on you.
I know you did, but I do agree that the logic is lacking. You didn’t find him suspicious for an action, which can then be thought better of and taken back; you found him suspicious for an intent – that of keeping the Book. His intent never changed. There is a problem here.
