Actually, I want to see your role PM because in past games Scum have been given a limited number of fake claims to use, and you withholding yours makes me suspicious that you don’t want to use them up for your buddies.
I believe this is the post of peeker’s that is causing you so much consternation:
Assuming I’m looking at the right post, I don’t see where you are drawing your conclusion from. All I see is peeker telling Oy! that story has a history of customizing everything, which would presumably include vanilla PMs. I read that as saying to Oy! “don’t get too worked up about the wording of anyone’s PMs. This is a ‘story game’, so that doesn’t mean anything one way or the other”. How you are interpreting this as meaning that peeker is saying anything at all about his own role and/or PM, is beyond me.
Or am I looking in the wrong place?
nah, you got it burb.
like naf infers it’s pretty durn nefarious. and i still won’t ever help a newb out ever again.
You are looking at the right post, but maybe I am seeing something that isn’t there.
What I see:
-Oy! posted.
-I pointed out Oy!'s post.
-Peek quotes and responds to me asking if anyone else thinks that Oy’s post means she isn’t vanilla town.
–In that response peek posits that it might have just been an honest question.
Again for context here is Oy!'s post:
For further context this was posted as a challenge to Digger’s Vanilla Role PM.
Anyone who has seen a vanilla PM (and that should be everyone, but non vanillas might not be paying attention) would know that in this game vanilla’s absolutely have individual color, so the challenge to Digger’s claim on those grounds is invalid and points to someone not having looked carefully at a vanilla PM. The only people who would not look carefully at a vanilla PM are non vanilla players.
This should be blindingly obvious to all vanilla players, doubly so once it was pointed out. I can not believe that any player, new or otherwise, would think to ask the question Oy! asked if they were vanilla.
Fine and good. Turns out I was right about Oy!.
My additional thinking is, if you are a vanilla town, you aren’t going to understand how vanilla town, new or otherwise, could ask that question either. Doubly so once it is pointed out. Hence Peek trying to point out that everything is customized in a storyteller game isn’t actually relevant, because actual vanilla town already know this and would know that Oy would not have thought to ask that question if actually vanilla town.
The other option is that Peek wasn’t really paying attention, which is why it’s a less good case for peek than it is for others who posted similar thoughts. But Peek has also been displaying one of his scum tells, and now he won’t post a vanilla PM, and it is my belief that he knew I was going to lose the book before I did.
What bothers me here is that you seem so sure of what a vig or what the scum would do. You seem to be discounting any other possibilities.
To me this reads like you just want us all to trust you and your “magic bag” and I don’t trust anyone in Mafia. You may not want to tell us what you know but I will continue to be suspicious of you until you do (and possibly even after).
What you are calling “perfectly legitimate conclusions” assume entirely too much in such a large game. I am suspicious of anyone who comes to such resolute conclusions.
And maybe I just haven’t played enough to be able to make such large leaps of logic but I feel like you are cutting off discussion of other possibilities by drawing these kinds of conclusions and cutting off discussion is anti-town.
No one else has commented on that post of yours so maybe I’m wrong here but I’d be interested to hear what others think.
NETA: I am making some inferences and wouldn’t build a case against peek based on that alone. Notice I didn’t point it out until I was ready to vote for him yesterDay. But as an additional piece of evidence along with the other stuff it adds weight to the case.
I’ve already replied to this twice too. To me, it doesn’t make a difference…either giving it up volunteerily or having it taken from him…the result is the same: He’s not claiming to keep the book anymore. And that was the reason for the majority of my suspicion.
Yes, you have explained it a ton of times, and every time it makes no sense as a justification for your about turn regarding NAF. I’m resuming my vote on you
unvote peek
vote Idle
- If it didn’t make sense to you the first time, it’s not going to make any sense to you any other time. So, really, don’t know why you bothered changing your vote in the first place.
- I think you’re looking for any reason to lynch me. I haven’t said anything different than I did when you first voted for me, unvoted, and voted again…so you’re doing a lot of vote changing and waffling for no reason. Consider me suspicious of that.
Not discounting at all. I thought the situation through logically and came to what I feel are valid conclusions. You, on the other hand, refuse to consider my logic at all. You just WANT there to be other reasonable possibilities, is what it looks like.
Heck, I even concede that the whole attack on me may have been random (or semi-random “she’s a good player, let’s off her” nonsense, whatever), so I DO admit to an “other possibility”. Just not, apparently, the one or ones that you would prefer I credit.
I would like you to consider whether my logic makes sense in the context of me having actually been attacked. And, separately, maybe you could think about how likely it is that I’m actually lying. Please note Chipacabra’s role and the color of the write-up when you do.
Excuse me, but, you have played with me recently, right? Resolute conclusions are not exactly atypical of me when I think they’re warranted.
The “anti-town” trope? Really?
boy, i must be the most obtuse fucker that ever played this game.
what i got from oy was that she had a niller role that was not identical to digger’s. she had been pretty aggressive early on (which to be honest i appreciate) and it felt like to me that she was pushing down a bad path. namely, that i am niller and my post is not identical. i was trying to act as the helpful unca peek and point out that in these games not indenticallity (word?) does not necessarily inidcate false. especially in a story game.
jeebus.
I did allow for the fact that you just might be being obtuse. 
Unless Oy!'s PM claimed that she was Iceman, then there shouldn’t really have been any confusion.
The refusal to post his claimed vanilla PM is enough for me. I can’t see a Town peeker doing that.
** vote peeker **
If he does come up Scum, which I fully expect, I know where my next vote is going. There’s only one situation I can see that slip being a slip, and it means that Naf has to be one too.
I think:
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Speculating on why someone was targeted (or claim to have been) isn’t really doing that much for me. However - if the data is there by all means - let’s take a look and see what we have.
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“Scum will never do that” isn’t getting us anywhere. However “Scum will do anyhing” is just as pointless. To try and look for motivations behind actions is (IMO) the way to move forward. If I see someone accused of being scummy based on an action I try to figure out what Scum would gain from that action.
I think it’s a long time since scum played the game “let’s confuse Town and see what happens”**
** Disclaimer: Unless we’re talking about games on facebook 
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Just because others don’t comment don’t mean you’re wrong or you’re right. It just means - right now - other players don’t have much to contribute with, feel they’ll look at how this develops or they may be going back and trying to figure out where you’re both coming from.
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I don’t think NP should tell us more about the Night and what happened right now. She seems to have thought about this and for now I’m willing to let her hold on to that lovely bag (and it does compliment the shoes so well
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That logic doesn’t follow, for reasons I have already outlined.
When did I refuse to consider your logic at all? All I said was that you seem so sure of what everyone would or would not do in this game and it is making me suspicious. Also, I didn’t say that you had to agree with my possibilities but just any other possibilities. I do know that you come to resolute conclusions in other games but they usually make more sense to me. And yes, the “anti-town” trope. Really.
All I’m doing is asking questions about why you are so sure about everything and you seem to be getting a little too upset about it (to the point of even voting me for it). Again, in my mind, you seem to be trying to squelch discussion on the topic of why you were a target.
And you seem to be saying whatever comes to mind first (even if it makes no sense at all, like scum targeting me in order to frame one of my suspects) in order to discredit the idea that my conclusions might be valid.
Why are you just automatically dismissing anything I say? I’ve played in other games where that was a valid scum tactic. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t invalidate the discussion. And again, all I am doing is bringing up possibilities. And I didn’t say that your conclusions could not possibly be valid. What I am questioning is how you can be so sure to the exclusion of my suggestions.
Which games? Night One? If you think this is a valid point of view, why aren’t you going back to see who agreed with me that my reasoning might be valid? I know Drain Bead did; can’t remember if there was anyone else.
peeker, there’s no reason for you not to post your PM. If you turn up town after this I reserve the right to smack you with a trout.