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[Oy]

Final Vote: Telcontar

Yes, I got the idea that Astral was the tiny demon from the color. In the color he also seemed quite satisfied with himself for having achieved something before he died, so that gave me the impression he’d done the Night Kill. That, however, is pure speculation on my part.

I used the Clay Doll on NAF1139 because I thought it was highly likely that if he was Scum, he was making a false claim. Peeker had turned out to be Scum, and it was still possible that he had truly slipped when talking about NAF not having the book anymore. If he was truly the Grizzled Cop, well, that pretty much eliminated Serial Killer in my view, and likely eliminated him as Scum.

However, I had an exchange sotto voce with Storyteller:

[QUOTE=Oy!]

If my clay doll had been part of Evil Dead 1, and I had used it on The Famous Actor, what would have been the reply to me?
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[QUOTE=Storyteller0910]

1. Had you used the Clay Doll on the Famous Actor, you probably would have learned that he was the Famous Actor, and had no special powers. Don’t hold me to that, though, because I haven’t put a ton of thought into how the roles from that game would interact would roles from this one.
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My End of Night 2 message from Story was

[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Your clay doll springs to life and speaks to you. It says: “NAF1138 is the alias of the Grizzled Cop, who has no special powers.”
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So it is not impossible that NAF is the Scum Godfather. That being said, I think it’s unlikely. NAF’s role description read like it was written by Storyteller. Unless he gave Scum alternate role descriptions for the same character specifically to fool name investigations like mine, or NAF was very clever in changing just a few words of the description to make it seem Townie, I think we can conclude he’s Town. It’s not quite a confirmation, but it’s about as close as I think we’re going to get short of NAF’s death.

[Hal_Briston]

@lilflower

I think the advantage to have a full Day is that any town with Night actions would have time to think about how they want to proceed toNight.

A full day gives that same advantage to scum.

@special_ed

I’m not ready to end the Day yet. I think there are still discussions to be had.

Then let’s have them. Even once we hit the requsite number of final votes, we’ll still have 24 hours to hash out other points.

[brewha]

I get the feeling that we aren’t going to get anything else out of Telcontar today. Really no use in waiting around for a week to lynch him, IMHO.

[color=blue]Final Vote Telcontar[/vote]

I know this is kinda metagamey, but I don’t think that Story would introduce this ‘final vote’ game mechanic if we were being mislead by Telcontar’s forehead brand. String him up, I say.

[brewha]

NETA…
Preview! Always Preview!
Final Vote Telcontar

[NAF1138]

@Drain_Bead

What are those discussions, and why aren’t you having them?

I don’t know, I think looking at the voting record and the arguments that known scum brought up are discussions that up are worthwhile. I have been trying to have them at least. Just because you don’t want to participate doesn’t mean that they aren’t.

Normal Phase and Suburban Plankton are talking too.

I don’t feel like the Day is done yet.

[GuiriEnEspana]

@Normal_Phase

Suburban and Guiri. The former voted late on Romanic and peeker and had no vote lodged at the actual end of day one. This despite being all over the thread otherwise (I counted 76 posts earlier today when I thought I could still have time to complete an analysis on him. 83 now.) Guiri had the second vote on Romanic after that weirdness that Idle noted, and was middle/late on Oredigger and peeker. Only 24 posts total for him, which is uncharacteristic. Of note for both is that neither has ever placed more than one vote in a voting “phase” (neither has lilflower), a trait which I think is slightly more characteristic of scum than of town.

Of course, they were in my top half dozen or so suspects anyway, which is why I looked them up in the first place, haha.

That’s cool, you have some valid points.

1. I see nothing weird about my questioning of and vote on Romanic but accept that I may have a unique point of view. Sure, I could have been more agressive with a player who’d just made their second post in the game proper and jumped on him with a vote immediately or I could have sat back, waited to see if a bandwagon started up, and then added a vote later on in the Day without attracting too much notice.

2. I have several reasons for not being more participative yesterDay, some RL (new bosses, flu), some game related (I was happy with my case on Peeker which didn’t rely on NAF being scum or the slip being PIS) and some mixed (Idle’s play really got to me and I needed to remember that this is just a game)

3. 24 posts is above my average Night 0-Night 2 over the past 6 games! It’s only uncharacteristic compared to my first ever game. I aspire to be included in that group of low but quality posters someday, how am I doing?

4. I was confident with each of my votes. Unless there’s a clear-cut case, I don’t rush to vote. I reviewed (and summarized) the case against Oredigger and was convinced it was worth a vote, I reviewed but was unsure of the Peeker slip but had previously been pinged by him, and by doing a WoW, found sufficient other suspicious things in his play and posts that I was comfortable with my vote irrespective of whether the slip was PIS or not.

5. In general, I’m not a fan of expressing suspicions without an accompanying vote until a much later stage in the game. I will make a case when I have sufficient evidence to bring to the table and attempt to show others why so-and-so should be lynched (usually with little success). Until then I prefer to keep my ideas to myself, poke and prod, and form opinions.

[Normal_Phase]

@GuiriEnEspana

That’s cool, you have some valid points.

1. I see nothing weird about my questioning of and vote on Romanic but accept that I may have a unique point of view. Sure, I could have been more agressive with a player who’d just made their second post in the game proper and jumped on him with a vote immediately or I could have sat back, waited to see if a bandwagon started up, and then added a vote later on in the Day without attracting too much notice.

2. I have several reasons for not being more participative yesterDay, some RL (new bosses, flu), some game related (I was happy with my case on Peeker which didn’t rely on NAF being scum or the slip being PIS) and some mixed (Idle’s play really got to me and I needed to remember that this is just a game)

3. 24 posts is above my average Night 0-Night 2 over the past 6 games! It’s only uncharacteristic compared to my first ever game. I aspire to be included in that group of low but quality posters someday, how am I doing?

Really? (Really-really, not the skeptical sort.) I had such a strong impression of you being more prolific than that. I can’t imagine you lying about such an easily-checked factoid, so I withdraw the accusation of uncharacteristic participation levels.

4. I was confident with each of my votes. Unless there’s a clear-cut case, I don’t rush to vote. I reviewed (and summarized) the case against Oredigger and was convinced it was worth a vote, I reviewed but was unsure of the Peeker slip but had previously been pinged by him, and by doing a WoW, found sufficient other suspicious things in his play and posts that I was comfortable with my vote irrespective of whether the slip was PIS or not.

5. In general, I’m not a fan of expressing suspicions without an accompanying vote until a much later stage in the game. I will make a case when I have sufficient evidence to bring to the table and attempt to show others why so-and-so should be lynched (usually with little success). Until then I prefer to keep my ideas to myself, poke and prod, and form opinions.

Or you could be like me, and just chuck votes all over the place the first couple of days of most games.

[Normal_Phase]

@Oy

I used the Clay Doll on NAF1139 because I thought it was highly likely that if he was Scum, he was making a false claim. Peeker had turned out to be Scum, and it was still possible that he had truly slipped when talking about NAF not having the book anymore. If he was truly the Grizzled Cop, well, that pretty much eliminated Serial Killer in my view, and likely eliminated him as Scum.

Idle had already investigated him as non-Deadite, is where I was going with this question. Can you explain your choice in light of that pre-existing investigation?

[Normal_Phase]

@Suburban_Plankton

Oy came to a conclusion that I hadn’t come to. I reread the write-up and didn’t see any concrete evidence to support his conclusion. So that left two possibilities:

1. There was no concrete evidence, and Oy was making an assumption
2. There was some concrete evidence, and I completely missed it.

Thus my question. If I had missed something, I wanted to know what it was. As I stated to Oy, I didn’t find his conclusion unreasonable; I wasn’t arguing with him or asking for justification. Only asking for additional evidence,* if it existed*, that I might have overlooked.

It may have been crystal clear to you that Astral was the Tiny Demon, but it wasn’t to me. I don’t know what to make of the zombie squirrel who is rapidly losing body parts, either.
I understand that as Town, we look for any behavior that seems “off”, that might allow us to unearth Scum. And as Scum, we look for any behavior that seems “off”, that might allow us to build an argument against Town. I’m not sure which you are, but it seems like you’re trying hard to build a case against me here, where there is none to build.

We’ll see, I suppose.

[Suburban_Plankton]

I’m having some issues with Hal Briston at the moment.

Here is a sampling of his posts over the first two Days:

529 - “Woo, I’ve got a little catching up to do (damn clients)”
863 - “I’m generally only in-game during my workday (although not exclusively).”
“As we get a couple of days into the game and I get more of a feel for who I deem suspicious, I get into a lot more detailed postings”
“By the by, this weekend is, woohoo, Knoebels’ Phall Phun Phest – we’ll be hitting the road tomorrow morning and not returning until late Sunday.”
901 - “I’ll admit to a little skimming at the moment”
1500 - “Sorry for my lack of participation toDay – it’s been a rather sucky week on the home front.”
1684 - “Yeah! We got one! Or, rather, everyone else got one while I sat around with my thumb up my ass.”

It’s by no means a comprehensive list of his posts, but it gives the general tenor of his participation. I understand it was limited due to real-life issues, and I certainly have no problem with that, but he seems to be driving that point home extra hard. He seems to be going out of his way to make sure we understand that he’s laying low, and don’t suspect him because of it.

He placed easy, safe, middle-of-the-pack votes on Romanic and Oredigger on Day 1A/1B. He didn’t vote at all on Day 2. Then last Night (Post 1684) he promises “Actual participation Tomorrow.”

Today, his participation has consisted of:

The first vote on Telcontar
The first ‘permanent vote’
A warning that a full Day gives an advantage to Scum

For someone who promised “Actual participation Tomorrow”, he seems to be trying pretty hard to end the Day without participating (or even allowing very much participation) at all.

[Suburban_Plankton]

I just noticed something as I was revisiting the list of deaths so far. Here are the role descriptions for each player, as given in their death Reveals:

Romanic, who was pro-Town (Special)
Oredigger77, who was Town (Vanilla)
Chipacabra, Who Was Pro-Town (Martyr)
MHaye, Who Was Pro-Town (Vanilla)
peekercpa, who was Scum (Role-Blocker)
Omi No Kami, who was Town (Vanilla)
Idle Thoughts, who was Town (Investigative)
Rysto, who was Town (Other)
Astral Rejection, who was Scum (Other)

Oredigger, Omi, and Rysto are listed as “Town”, while Romanic, Chip, and MHaye are listed as “Pro-Town”. I don’t know if it’s significant or not, but it does seem that storyteller has been going back and forth between the two terms. This might point to the existence of a third (Pro-Town) faction.

And just in case we can clear this up really quickly,

story, is the use of both “Town” and “Pro-Town” as descriptors for our fallen comrades intentional, or is this an oversight?

[Drain_Bead]

@NAF1138

I don’t know, I think looking at the voting record and the arguments that known scum brought up are discussions that up are worthwhile. I have been trying to have them at least. Just because you don’t want to participate doesn’t mean that they aren’t.

Normal Phase and Suburban Plankton are talking too.

I don’t feel like the Day is done yet.

You, Normal, and SP are not ed, who I was responding to (and being facetious, hence the smiley) when I made that post. The joke, which you seem to have not gotten, was that ed said one sentence about how he believed that there were more discussions to be had, and then made a vote and didn’t actually discuss anything.

It’s a lot funnier when you don’t have to explain it to someone.

[NAF1138]

@Drain_Bead

You, Normal, and SP are not ed, who I was responding to (and being facetious, hence the smiley) when I made that post. The joke, which you seem to have not gotten, was that ed said one sentence about how he believed that there were more discussions to be had, and then made a vote and didn’t actually discuss anything.

It’s a lot funnier when you don’t have to explain it to someone.

I got the joke! I get jokes.

But it brings up a real point, and you aren’t the only person to say something about how the Day can end right now. You did drop a final vote in that post. I could have just as easily quoted Hal.

[NAF1138]

@Normal_Phase

Idle had already investigated him as non-Deadite, is where I was going with this question. Can you explain your choice in light of that pre-existing investigation?

Not to speak for Oy, there there are several people in the game who thought I was nothing like confirmed after Idle’s investigation.

Why are you so certain that I was?

[special_ed]

@Drain_Bead

What are those discussions, and why aren’t you having them?

Final vote: Telcontar

For one, I want Mahaloth to tell us how he saw telecontar as Scum.

He mentioned a similarity in his playstyle as Scum, but hasn’t backed it up with anything concrete. He did say he was going to and then didn’t

[Oy]

[QUOTE=Normal Phase]

[QUOTE=Oy!]

I used the Clay Doll on NAF1139 because I thought it was highly likely that if he was Scum, he was making a false claim. Peeker had turned out to be Scum, and it was still possible that he had truly slipped when talking about NAF not having the book anymore. If he was truly the Grizzled Cop, well, that pretty much eliminated Serial Killer in my view, and likely eliminated him as Scum.
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Idle had already investigated him as non-Deadite, is where I was going with this question. Can you explain your choice in light of that pre-existing investigation?
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Yes. I still found NAF to be suspicious, and if Peeker did make a slip (we still don’t know one way or another), it was probably based on NAF in the Scum thread.

The Godfather in Evil Dead 1 was human. Wouldn’t have shown up in Idle’s touch. Could use the Necronomicon, or do the Night Kill, but otherwise had no special powers. I figured it was likely that Storyteller had provided at least one vanilla cover role. I thought NAF might have used it.

Further, one of the things I thought was suspicious about NAF was his probing for info on Day 1. That could be a Serial Killer with restrictions, just as the two SKs in Evil Dead 1 had specific people they could and couldn’t kill. I figured that a Serial Killer would not come back as Vanilla Grizzled Cop. I could be wrong, but that was my thinking.

Now, NAF could still be a human Scum Godfather whose real role is Grizzled Cop, but whose text differs from the one he posted. But other than that possibility, which I consider to be fairly small, he stands as pretty much confirmed Town.

That was my thinking - that I’d either get a conclusively bad result, or a pretty solidly confirmed result wrt NAF. If you don’t consider my reasons adequate, well, sorry. I’m no expert at this, but I’m doing the best that I can.

[Normal_Phase]

You weren’t. However, you were known (barring weird shenanigans or Idle being a liar*) not to be a Deadite, which is more information than is available on the rest of us. Oy had a choice of confirming you (pretty much) the rest of the way, or of getting significant information on someone unknown. (He could have taken a look in my magic bag, for instance, or gone after a new suspect.) I’d like to know what he was thinking when he decided that you were his best choice, in that light.

• and I didn’t think he was.

[Normal_Phase]

NETA: my last post was directed at NAF.

[Normal_Phase]

@Oy

Yes. I still found NAF to be suspicious, and if Peeker did make a slip (we still don’t know one way or another), it was probably based on NAF in the Scum thread.

The Godfather in Evil Dead 1 was human. Wouldn’t have shown up in Idle’s touch. Could use the Necronomicon, or do the Night Kill, but otherwise had no special powers. I figured it was likely that Storyteller had provided at least one vanilla cover role. I thought NAF might have used it.

Further, one of the things I thought was suspicious about NAF was his probing for info on Day 1. That could be a Serial Killer with restrictions, just as the two SKs in Evil Dead 1 had specific people they could and couldn’t kill. I figured that a Serial Killer would not come back as Vanilla Grizzled Cop. I could be wrong, but that was my thinking.

Now, NAF could still be a human Scum Godfather whose real role is Grizzled Cop, but whose text differs from the one he posted. But other than that possibility, which I consider to be fairly small, he stands as pretty much confirmed Town.

That was my thinking - that I’d either get a conclusively bad result, or a pretty solidly confirmed result wrt NAF. If you don’t consider my reasons adequate, well, sorry. I’m no expert at this, but I’m doing the best that I can.

No, I’m not in the habit of second-guessing townies. I was asking in order to find out if you are a townie. Can you provide a link or two to demonstrate your continued suspicion?

[Oy]

@Normal_Phase

No, I’m not in the habit of second-guessing townies. I was asking in order to find out if you are a townie. Can you provide a link or two to demonstrate your continued suspicion?

Sorry, but I didn’t express my continued suspicion. I felt that Idle had sufficiently cleared NAF to take my vote off of him. But then NAF posted his role claim. My Clay Doll was, I felt, best used on a role already claimed, to either confirm or deny it.

I didn’t have a good suspect for tracking. I don’t have a good candidate for White Powder boosting. Frankly, I don’t really trust you yet, but you were the closest thing to a Town Power remotely boostable. I don’t have a good candidate to martyr myself for using the Mirror, and I’m really not comfortable using the incense, as it chases away Town without affecting Scum, so I might drive away a Protection while leaving myself open to a Scum Night Kill.

But, by golly, I had a role I could confirm or deny. So I used the Clay Doll.