If women are held to higher standards, then it’s people like OneChance that are doing it. He’s suggested that it’s ok for men to have extra weight, and has offered up examples of famous men that woman find attractive. Then, because HE thinks that some women tend to get “lumpy looking” and “pear-shaped” and “unattractive” he has postulated that ALL men (people) feel the same way about it.
He went so far as to say that men didn’t fine Camyrn Mannheim attractive, when 15 posts earlier andros said:
OneChance isn’t even reading the posts - he’s just trying to justify his own opinion by suggesting that it’s held “by society.” Rather than just agreeing with the OP, and facing the lambasting that MGibson is getting here, he’s trying to hide behind the idea that it’s not his fault if he doesn’t like “fat” women - it’s society’s.
If OneChance feels that strongly about the lumpiness of certain woman, so much so that he feels the need to express it in a public forum, he should at least have the strength of his convictions to accept responsibility for his opinion.
If this is true, then your cousin’s boyfriend is a jackass, end of discussion. It’s totally unfair to paint all men with this ridiculous Anorexia-Nervosa-by-Proxy brush.
No Alice, I hear you. But you’re not making any sense. Andros wrote, “I really dislike the idea of someone telling me I’m an evil harassing oppressor with a small mind and a smaller penis for finding excessive fat to be ugly. ('Course, the keyword for me is “excessive.” Camryn Mannheim? Mrowr.)” Then he writes, “I’d be on her like white on rice.” Too much sarcasm for me to pick up on. I can’t tell what he really likes, can you?
…Rather than just agreeing with the OP, and facing the few people overracting that MGibson is getting here…
Please feel free to mentally insert this in my original post - I have no problem with the reword.
Sorry, but the tone of your message suggests that you are extrapolating the chastisements/actions of all men, from the chastisements/actions of some men - if this is not the case, then my last comment doesn’t apply to you. It applies only to those persons that do choose to extrapolate the opinions/actions of members of a certain group from the opinions/actions of an individual member that particular group, without empirical data of any sort to support their supposition.
<sarcasm>Yeah, we’re all against the fat people.</sarcasm> Holy cow, I’ve never had an argument with someone as dumb as you before. I merely stated the body type that I’m not attracted to, and this is the response I get? You’re pissed off that I won’t sleep with someone I find unattractive? Oooookay. I don’t give a rat’s ass if someone is fat, or ugly, or skinny, or so fat they can’t get out of bed without the help of a forklift. But I do have certain criteria for what I find sexually attractive, and so do you, and so does everyone else.
You’re seriously delusional, and a little out of whack. Lambasting? Agree with the OP? I see neither happening here. I don’t agree with the OP. I never said “fat is ugly.” Go back and re-read my posts, this time try to understand. Scenes of Biff knocking McFly on the head yelling, “Hello! McFly!” keeps coming to mind when I respond to you.
Seems pretty clear to me that he likes Camryn Manheim.
And if I were to extrapolate from what he’s said, I’d say that * his * definition of unattractively fat and yours are miles apart.
I know lots of men who can appreciate and be sexually attracted to women who are 100 pounds overweight who would not be sexually attracted to a woman who was 300 pounds overweight. There is a big difference in the way the two look and affect the persons who are dealing with them. I can speak from experience that even at 100 pounds overweight, a woman can still look like a woman. A fleshy, very round woman, but the shape of a woman nonetheless.
I’d also like to just toss into the ring this so far unacknowledged truth (I think, I haven’t read super-carefully): Most overweight women are found attractive by someone. Usually more than one someone. There is a far higher percentage of men who can happily get it up for a big gal and enjoy it thoroughly than some posters in this thread might believe… The problem comes when it is time to take her out and show her a good time. There’s a lot of men who will fuck a fat girl, they just don’t want to be seen with her because * they feel judged. *
Now I grant that guys who operate like this are weak assholes. But my points are these: it is totally false to claim that anything like almost all men find fat women unattractive, but the pervasive belief that this is so, coupled with the idea that there is something wrong with you if you DO find a fat girl attractive, contributes to a negative, judgmental, and really unnecessary atmosphere of shame for all concerned.
Wouldn’t it be lovely if we all just accepted each other for who we were and didn’t involve ourselves with ** identifying and declaring who we would not be caught dead sleeping with ** ?
OneChance: I think I’ll put my left shoe on first.
Alice: Do you have a problem with your right foot?
OneChance: No, that’s just how I like to put my shoes on. I’ve noticed a lot of people put their left shoe on first.
Alice: How can you extrapolate a meaning into the opinion of all men when a certain group of the first part doesn’t agree with the individual group of the second part, and therefore empirical data doesn’t support the supposition of the third part, that which belongs to society?
And that’s my point. One woman who is 100 lbs overweight isn’t going to look like another woman who is 100 lbs overweight. People carry the weight differently. Women who carry it in their breasts and hips are generally found to be more attractive to men than women who carry it all in their hips or waist. Now, I’m not speaking for all men. This is just what I’ve witnessed throughout my life.
Actually - it sounds to me like andros thinks Camryn Mannheim is attractive, but why don’t we just ask him, rather than ASSUMING what he thinks, based on our OWN (read - YOUR own) opinions.
andros? Were you being sarcastic?
Ok, I read this as a lambasting - if you do not, fine, but I certainly don’t think I’m out of whack.
Ok, I will…
fat is ugly…woman who are lumpy and pear-shaped are unattractive.
[sarcasm on]Yah - there is NO similarity between those two concepts. [/sarcasm off]
I understand you just fine - you’re an asshole and a silly little twat. You’ve been talking out your ass this whole time, and when I’ve called you on it, you call me stupid.
Wow, a few people disagreed with MGibson. Hardly a lambasting.
So “unattractive” means “ugly” to you? You have some serious issues.
No, I said you were dumb. Maybe I called you stupid, too, but I thought that I did it in my head. And if you really do know how to read, you’ll have noticed that I always clarify my position. I’ve never just called you stupid and left it at that. But if you want to mention name-calling, you did call me “ignorant and sexist.” I don’t think I’ve labeled you yet, have I?
alice_in_wonderland, all of those posters you listed who were really pissed were back on page one and haven’t chimed in since then. (PLG might have made it past page one)
Since then it’s been a fairly rational discussion with the lambasting kept to a minimum.
Anyway, you and OneChance play nice. I’ll get the hose, y’know. Just try me. Oh wait – this is the Pit, isn’t it. Nevermind! FUCK EACH OTHER UP, YEAH!
Did I fall into the rabbit hole? My widdle bwain? You’re the one who is taking my posts out of context. You think that my opinion is the opinion of the world, and you think that when I say something like “unattractive” I mean “ugly.” Sheesh, and I’m the one with the widdle bwain? I think I see the picture being painted here. You’re one of the women I would find unattractive and that bothers you. Am I right? That’s a serious question. I hope you answer it.
Yes! YES! YES!!! IT’S TRUE!! OneChance, you found me out - here I’ve been posting, trying to get you to fall for me because <gasp>
I WANT YOU!!
Listen, fuckwad, if you like I’ll bring in my modeling proofs and scan them into my computer. What I look like is completely irrelevant to your stupidity, which is paramount.
Elijah in a microbus, I shouldn’t have even said anything at all.
To make myself perfectly clear: I do not find obesity attractive. I do not find excessive fat attractive–and “excessive” is a purely subjective determination on my part.
I do find Camryn Manheim to be an attractive woman. I do not find all women of her dimensions to be attractive, or even most, but I would jump into the sack with her in a hot second.
And now, I’m going to carefully back out of the thread, and let y’all enjoy.
OK, this is turning into a Rock Hudson (OneChance) and Doris Day (Alice_in_Wonderland) picture. First they hate each other, then they scan photos and fall madly in love.
Now the only question is, who plays the best friend/Tony Randall role?
Anecdotal evidence (or the possibility that someone might ask someone else randomly) does not constitude evidence. Please don’t wander into GD thinking you can argue like this. If you are going to make a point that men carry weight differently from women, so be it. But you need evidence, or else it is no more than conjecture.
Well, since you already told me that the only reason I get hit on is because men are intimidated by better looking women, I can safely say that you finding me unattractive is the best news I’ve heard all day. Your unsubstantiated claims, and rude, pointless words in this thread would guarantee that even if you looked like Tom Cruise, I would find you repulsive.
Alice, please don’t watse any more time arguing with someone who quibbles over the definition of stupid vs. dumb and unattractive vs. ugly. Someone so capable of twisting his words to change his argument is a waste of breath.
You’ve been talking out your ass this whole time, and when I’ve called you on it, you call me stupid.