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The fact that you do not consider it posessive, does not make it less so. Consider "…and foresaking all others… "

Just because someone agrees to the terms of exclusivity voluntarily, does not make the premise less possessive. (Note: I’m not saying it’s wrong to desire/agree to exclusivity.)

What is that?

My cite is for thousands of years of human history of indiscretion and I’ll add one K.D. Land who sings… “Constant Craving has always been…”

It’s social (and economic) pressure. Not human nature.

It’s biologically beneficial for the survival of the human species to have the male spread his genetic material as widely as possible. It’s genetically beneficial for the female to be nurturing and to tend to the resultant offspring.

Genes don’t share your sense of romantic love.

When you build your ideal universe then you can make that one of the rules.

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It’s biologically beneficial for the survival of the human species to have the male spread his genetic material as widely as possible. It’s genetically beneficial for the female to be nurturing and to tend to the resultant offspring.
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This is a gross oversimplification.

Fair enough. There are many good sources on genetic theory and human evolution but I foundthis to be highly readable and fairly well supported.

Also, I think it’s better to be left wanting more than to go do it again (and again and again over the course of the trip) and to be left feeling “eh” about the sex with her.

I’m in a committed relationship now, but there’s still a guy from my past that I kinda wish I’d had a chance to do it with again. And from comments he made, I think he feels the same way. But at the same time, it’s nice to know that he might still be out there thinking “daaaaaaamn, I wish I could do taxi again!” instead of “eh… taxi was ok but I’m glad that’s over.” Much better to both be left thinking very fondly of the time you spent together. In the past.

As I said before, I’ve never been in a lust-driven relationship. Never been in one where even the initial reason for hooking up was some variant on “I like your body and I want to do you”. I really need to try that, at least once in my life, if only to see what it’s like. Occasionally I meet someone just in the course of ordinary life and we hit it off, but most often I run a personal ad and/or reply to one and we get to know each other via email. There’s usually a romantic relationship established long before I have any inkling of what the other person looks like, or vice versa.

For me, the ideal situation is to love many people, some of whom you currently have a sexually active relationship with, but all of whom you continue to love after that mercurial inclination has moved on to focus on someone or someones else.

When I love someone, I want for them good things. If some of those good things take place in some other fellow’s bed, that is not an insult to me, it’s just her being human and having a normal, varied, lusty appetite.

There’s also a difference between being “in love” and loving someone, and also a difference between plain-old having the physical carnal hots for someone and being “in love” with someone. There are three, not two, of these categories. Being “in love” isn’t going to happen in a shallow, insuffiiciently intimate situation. It feeds on romantic appreciation for the other person’s thoughts, dreams, nuances of behavior, and on tenderness for the other person’s vulnerabilities, and the caring warmth from it is entirely genuine and heartfelt, and yet it is distinctively sexual, yea even biochemical, complete with some nasty withdrawal symptoms. What I’ve just described is not “love”, it’s being “in love”. Not that they can’t overlap, but they are different things. Love endures longer, usually; it interferes less with your clear head, doesn’t tend to make you sigh and doesn’t tend to disrupt your sleep patterns and eating patterns. It does tend to inspire obsessional thoughts and behavioral patterns. It doesn’t tend to last, it isn’t in any fashion “objective” or an expression of one’s “true and permanent” whatever. Nope, for all that it isn’t trivial or superficial, it is nevertheless very strongly chemical, hormonal, and of the day.

Now, you can promise someone you’ll never respond if and when you get that feeling for someone else. You can keep true to that promise (at the cost of quite a bit of short-to-medium-term misery if it does happen). You can write off having those feelings ever again in your life once they are no longer attached to your relationship with the person to whom you made the promise (and the “in love” feeling does tend to move on, it is transient in nature). Do note, however, that if you decline to make any such promise, love (which is, if you’ll recall, a different thing from being “in love”) will tend to persist; there’s really no reason I can think of outside of selfishness and jealousy to keep you from loving and caring deeply and thoroughly for this person if she falls “in love” with someone else and pursues the experience for its many delights and joys.

Love, unlike being “in love”, doesn’t tend to be a one-at-a-time thing. While you may not have time in your life to remain closely entertwined in the lives of dozens of people, you can do so with a more manageable number, and except for time there’s just no sense of limits there. While you can’t really promise to always love someone (who can promise what they’re going to feel?), you can testify to what you do feel, and acknowledge the importance of it and pledge to keep each other special in your lives. And people do, and these are the relationships that last a lifetime.

To the OP:

You probably never really got over that last relationship. Not given the way it ended. You probably wouldn’t mind having revenge sex… i.e. See what you’ve been missing?!

Also, I think the Europe trip is just a pretense for seeing the ex.

Finally… Does your current partner know you are still in regular and frequent contact with the ex? How does she feel about it? How would she feel if you went to Europe to meet up with the ex?

Nope. Nada. Over. Done. I’ve been given enough green signals from her in the past that I’ve turned down. I think what I felt was basically carnal nostalgia, and that’s it.

Wrong again, Herr Sigmund. Ive been wanting to see Europe for years. I’d like go twice while I’m still in my twenties (cover 3 different countries each time), and I’m running out of time, assuming the trips are spaced at least 1 year apart.

Contact with the ex isn’t frequent - I mentioned that it’s about once a month on an average when we catch each other online, and then usually speak on the phone. Ive mentioned this to my girlfriend, and she’s ok with it. She wasn’t initially, but then she’s still in touch with her ex, so she realized that it would be unfair of her to deny me the same thing.

:smiley: :smiley: Thanks nyctea.

So your current g/f would be fine with you going to Europe and visiting with the ex, yes? :dubious:

BTW… feel free to ignore my nosy arm chair psychologist inquisition. I’m just a bit out of sorts these days… :stuck_out_tongue:

AHunter,

I think the real issue is not arguing against the way you choose to live your life. I think what the general consensus is, is that if someone chooses to be in a monogamous relationship then that person is morally obligated to be monogamous. It’s pretty apparent from the OP that he and his GF have a mutually exclusive relationship so if he gives into his temptations he is violating the, perhaps unspoken, tenets of that relationship.

There is nothing wrong with someone who wants to casually date, play around with more than one lover at a time, have orgies or whatever; as long as you are honest with your partners on where you stand on the monogamy issue. If you, personally, have no issue with it, and neither do your partners, then no harm, no foul.

Sniperfang has chosen to be with a girl he considers to be “the one.” A girl who expects him to be faithful. Perhaps you consider it masochistic of a person to put those types of constraints on themselves but this is what he has chosen to do. He is obligated to remain faithful, at the very least he is obligated to alert her of his plans to shag the ex, (if that is what he decided to do) thus giving her the option to dump him, stay with him anyway, or to seriously rethink her future with him. Regardless of what he chooses, there are consequences.

Regardless of how one chooses to construct and live within or without a relationship, there are responsibilites and consequencs. Unavoidable. This is the real world.

Well, yes. I havent broached the subject because I didn’t know if I was going to go or not. Likewise, she took a trip for her ex’s wedding - she didn’t ask my permission - but she did mention that she was going to do it, and if I’d be ok with it. I was, I saw no reason to not be ok with it, and I made that clear. I’m not one of those psychotic boyfriends who forbids, or at least tries to, his SO from having a past, and I can’t be with someone who’s like that either.

Don’t worry about it, I appreciate the feedback. Ive read a lot of your previous posts, and they’re all lucid, intelligent, and have a well balanced perspective, so thank you.
As regards being out of sorts, well aint that a co-inky-dinky? I’m having one of those days where I’m feeling completely out of sorts, and not a little self-destructive. It’ll probably pass over the weekend though. Hope yours clears up soon too. I think we could all use clear skies sometime soon.