Eleusis, this brings up other issues in regards to consent as well.
A guy in my position; who understands that females have been visually repressed for millenia; will understand that uttering such a statement (if reasonably ‘true’); will make the female happier.
However, what is the cost?
Let’s turn the scenario around so that instead of complimenter her directly; I spout out some moral line:
“I would mention that you look lovely this evening, however, since I understand that women tend to appreciate that as a compliment and men don’t really care; I feel like a bit of a hypocrital suck up to mention it; but there I go. You look great smile”
That’s reasonably nice; it’s also deslective. That is how I would I would answer that on the fly if I had to do so, yet do so as ‘democratically’ as possible. It’s still much more deselective then your method; and is not considered an appropriate way to engage females so that they will select you.
If I tightened it up and bit and referred to the acceptance of this compliment as a social pattern of low self-image that females have become adapted to, and somehow wove an implicit subtext of: “I’m just trying to warn you that men use this as a way to trick you, and that you should not seek these types of compliments if you want to find better people and live in a healthier society”
Well, then I’m a raving lunatic; “buy-bye great for the gossip mill though; stupid pompous asshole judging me and my whole sex on the first date, where do these fucking losers come from?”
Males would shrug something like this off; EXCEPT, the third reason why you would “Tell a female she looks pretty because ‘everyone’ knows that females like it and it makes them happy”
The third reason is that males may be practicing their gossip techniques or actually using one to get the message of their chivalry to a female that is her friend; or a potential hook-up unrelated to her. This type of planning is what begins to structure the entire player personality. It’s opportunism at its worst IMO.
My major issue with something like your stance Eleusis, is that it seeks to maintain the corruption for your own benefit without informed consent. Even worse!! Since the idea of females always needing to pay for sex; not being logical, being toys or robots is maintained; they will continue to operate this pattern socially.
This creates the possibility for a potential rapist to validate their action as being rational and logical. “Females can’t have sex without rape anyways, so what’s the difference; they all ask for it anyways, they’re all just whores.”
By this simple decision you made, you have in some very tangible way managed to give someone justification for rape somewhere else in this world.
That is my problem with this type of behavior.
To analyze this a bit further:
“I would mention that you look lovely this evening, however, since I understand that women tend to appreciate that as a compliment and men don’t really care; I feel like a bit of a hypocrital suck up to mention it; but there I go. You look great smile”
Something like this; would effectively work as a charisma algorythm on a small set of females. Pushing this pattern too much will lead to deselection.
I wanted to clarify the male stance of this scenario on a first date. I said the male will shrug it off, but may decide to use it as gossip collateral for further female possibilities. The big difference is that males will not suddenly deselect a female for something like this. Males don’t have things like this; especially that act as sexual deselections. Females literally will flip a switch to “off” when one of these lines are crossed (unless severe asshole behavior is used, then it might flip back on); and they will also gossip about it.
Males may gossip about it; but their switch is still “on”. Regardless; if a male has intimacy with a female who dropped something which could be used as gossip collateral; it makes it more valuable for female selection later down the road. The gossip in the context of a date is not generally as effective as the gossip in the context of an intimate date.
This touches upon another vast inconsistency between the sexes. Males don’t select females based on gossip or prior sexual experience, with the same type of on/off switch that females use. Females talking about sex with another male tends to act as a runner for all the others to be with the same male.
Males gossip amongst each-other to practice for the real thing with females, and are not affected decision-wise about their sexual or romantic leanings for one or hundreds of females on their radar for that stuff. Gossip amongst males will seek to affect the behavior of other males when females are present; so as to increase their selection. This generally consists of making other males cynical by ‘ragging’ on the females that like them, or females in general. This cynicism is calculated as deselecting the infected male in terms of the female selection process. While one male will be thinking “this guy is such an ass … he just lies and she loves it blah, blah; but she wants this type of person, but that’s not what he is… blah, blah”" his expression and demeaner will show a ‘downer’; effectively rendering him the submissive male from the female perspective. The most general routines are too much to discuss here; however, on a basic one like this; males are using split personalities to run the counter-intelligence routines - at which point they begin to integrate the depreciating thoughts into their single personality; as it works more consistantly. This is where females will notice change in the male personality over the course of time; for the ‘worse’ as tends to be the perception. The other option; more hideous and sinister IMO is that the male keeps a holier than thou front up for the female and continues to blast on her in the proximity of ‘friends’; as a habitual mechanism of superiority found in the old system. If they have a lot of money; this will generally go unchecked for a life-time. The decisions for males who have been ‘used’ for these counter-intelligence routines are very few; particularly if they have an interest in the female for some reason - as the system has been oriented such that truth will undoubtedly lead to life-long deselection from both the ‘friend’ and the ‘female’ in question. Neither of them will realize the truth of the words until their 60’s. Tampering with the system by running counter-intelligence routines one layer back is more unethical then the guy who really doesn’t understand this stuff; as it still treats the female like an object - and also treats your friend as an object. A person who incidentaly has as much right to affection as you or anyone else. To drive a stake through all of this simulated happiness is also not a pleasant option; as nobody gets what they want except truth, which people seem keenly interested in avoiding.
-Justhink
“I would mention that you look lovely this evening, however, since I understand that women tend to appreciate that as a compliment and men don’t really care; I feel like a bit of a hypocrital suck up to mention it; but there I go. You look great smile”
Something like this; would effectively work as a charisma algorythm on a small set of females. Pushing this pattern too much will lead to deselection.
I wanted to clarify the male stance of this scenario on a first date. I said the male will shrug it off, but may decide to use it as gossip collateral for further female possibilities. The big difference is that males will not suddenly deselect a female for something like this. Males don’t have things like this; especially that act as sexual deselections. Females literally will flip a switch to “off” when one of these lines are crossed (unless severe asshole behavior is used, then it might flip back on); and they will also gossip about it.
Males may gossip about it; but their switch is still “on”. Regardless; if a male has intimacy with a female who dropped something which could be used as gossip collateral; it makes it more valuable for female selection later down the road. The gossip in the context of a date is not generally as effective as the gossip in the context of an intimate date.
This touches upon another vast inconsistency between the sexes. Males don’t select females based on gossip or prior sexual experience, with the same type of on/off switch that females use. Females talking about sex with another male tends to act as a runner for all the others to be with the same male.
Males gossip amongst each-other to practice for the real thing with females, and are not affected decision-wise about their sexual or romantic leanings for one or hundreds of females on their radar for that stuff. Gossip amongst males will seek to affect the behavior of other males when females are present; so as to increase their selection. This generally consists of making other males cynical by ‘ragging’ on the females that like them, or females in general. This cynicism is calculated as deselecting the infected male in terms of the female selection process. While one male will be thinking “this guy is such an ass … he just lies and she loves it blah, blah; but she wants this type of person, but that’s not what he is… blah, blah”" his expression and demeaner will show a ‘downer’; effectively rendering him the submissive male from the female perspective. The most general routines are too much to discuss here; however, on a basic one like this; males are using split personalities to run the counter-intelligence routines - at which point they begin to integrate the depreciating thoughts into their single personality; as it works more consistantly. This is where females will notice change in the male personality over the course of time; for the ‘worse’ as tends to be the perception. The other option; more hideous and sinister IMO is that the male keeps a holier than thou front up for the female and continues to blast on her in the proximity of ‘friends’; as a habitual mechanism of superiority found in the old system. If they have a lot of money; this will generally go unchecked for a life-time. The decisions for males who have been ‘used’ for these counter-intelligence routines are very few; particularly if they have an interest in the female for some reason - as the system has been oriented such that truth will undoubtedly lead to life-long deselection from both the ‘friend’ and the ‘female’ in question. Neither of them will realize the truth of the words until their 60’s. Tampering with the system by running counter-intelligence routines one layer back is more unethical then the guy who really doesn’t understand this stuff; as it still treats the female like an object - and also treats your friend as an object. A person who incidentaly has as much right to affection as you or anyone else. To drive a stake through all of this simulated happiness is also not a pleasant option; as nobody gets what they want except truth, which people seem keenly interested in avoiding.
-Justhink