FinnAgain is kind of a shitty person.

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Shit, hit submit by accident..

To be fair, folks who gets their heads handed to them will start these threads even if all I do is point out what they’re doing. Being shown to be full of shit drives some of them right up the wall. I suppose that’s why it’s so easy for Damuri to hop up on the cross with no delay, he’s already got a pretty good perch.

I do understand your point. On the subject of lies, I suppose could simply point out the contradictions, but I often want to make the point that they’re knowingly deceiving readers. Credibility is an issue, and someone who’s mistaken now and again has a higher degree of credibility than someone who’s given to lying. I’d hope, for instance, that if someone like Zombie were to claim that I said something, since he’s already gone on record with the lie that I’ve accused people of being Nazis, that readers would wait for a cite before believing his claims.

As for stupidity, I suppose… but boy is does it ever feel theraputic to respond to someone who’s being an absolute idiot and point that out. Point taken though, as people’s stupidity generally shines through without anybody else needing to call much attention to it.

On the nature of anti-Semites though, I have to disagree. DSeid and I recently had this same general discussion, too, and it’s one we’ve had many times. In America at least, the process of ‘giving enough rope’ to folks like that means that their ideas become part and parcel of the public discourse. I also, personally, do not want to respond to racists with kid gloves. As I see it, someone spewing anti-Semitism is like someone walking up to me and spitting in my face. Yes, I can politely point out that it wasn’t very nice, or I can punch him in the nose. Except in this case I worry that the “well, tell me more about how you think that Jews secretly control the US government?” not only get it into the public discussion as a legitimate topic (made even more ‘legitimate’ because they can now hold up a token Jew as agreeing that it’s a reasonable subject for discussion) but reinforces stereotypes of Jews as weaklings and pushovers. Why, you can walk right up to a Jew and utter the worst sorts of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and those limp wristed momma’s boys will just politely engage in a discussion of “how evil are the Jews?”

This is a good point. I’m not ruffled in any real sense. It’s a lot like reading about any idiot on the news and saying “wow, what an idiot!” without letting it ruin your day.

But point(s) taken.

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Unlike some, I don’t mind apologizing when I’m wrong. And I was wrong in this case. Evidently, I made the same mistake as **FoieGrasIsEvil **. Odd. But nonetheless, I apologize and retract that post.

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If it makes you feel better when I read it to make sure I didn’t say we, I saw the same thing for an instant. You know Magellan, this just makes me want to hug you. <3

Now if only Finn would have the same level of integrity. He said:

Emphasis mine.

The whole kerfluffle here was caused by my statement that:

Sounds like we agree, yet I am attacked. The injustice of it all!

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I have to admit that I find this whining that Finn calls anyone who criticized Israel an anti-Semite quite odd.

I’ve been quite critical of Israel and have yet to have him call me an anti-Semite or even insult me. It seems to me that the only people who wind up getting spanked by him are those who make extreme statements they can’t back up or reveal gross ignorance on the subject they are speaking about.

For myself, I’ve found that few of Israel’s harshest critics in the West actually care about the Palestinians or their cause, but most attack Israel out of other motivations.

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Really? You can peer into their souls and determine their motivations? That must come in mighty handy when you go shopping for a car!

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Good lord man, think about what you’re saying.

I mean, the idea of looking into the soul of a used car salesperson? The horror, the horror.

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This post just shows how you operate and why people who pay attention and read what you wrote call you names that you so deserve.

The claim was NOT: “Mossad had something to do with 9/11”. You cite me stating that and I will apologize and remove myself from SDMB.

The claim was that “at least two of the guys on the van are/were working for Mossad”.

Which is totally different thing. Also, cite The Forward or 20/20 refutation of the claim they made. There is not one. Are you suggesting that these two public media entities maliciously broadcast stuff with no repercussions?

Now, by upping the claim, in other words by lying you assign stigma to a person and then go beserk as that is a fact. Who in their right minds, of people who are reading this exchange, to point that to you? None. Because they are afraid of getting stigmatized. They care what you think and they are worried that if they point to a slight difference, you will provide your stamp of approval on their little souls so they will never be the same. Who wants you on their back?

But, sure, keep on grinding on your own words.

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That difference looks pretty small. So what are you saying about the two men that worked for Mossad?

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In other words you’re just a standard Troofer and you can’t do more than JAQ Off. You certainly don’t have the integrity to come out and say what connection you think the Mossad has to 9/11. And you will relentlessly distort a telephone-type quote from The Forward that 20/20 reported somewhat inaccurately while pretending not to understand that 20/20 themselves reported that the intelligence community had not even come to the conclusion that they were spies but had agreed that even if they were, they had nothing to do with 9/11.

So not only is your claim that it was “proven” that the ‘dancing Israelis’ had any agents of the Mossad, utterly false, but your Troofer conspiracy theory is debunked by the same sources you pretend to respect.

Now man up and offer an actual cogent argument rather than innuendo and JAQing Off about how the Mossad was involved in 9/11.
Any time now.

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Ow. This hurts the head, in comprehension thereto.

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No, it sounds like a sense of humour fail. You idiot.

Let’s see, shall we…

Bzzzt.Fail!. There was no mention of SA before you brought it up. I don’t know how you can miscount like this, as you then go on to link to that exact same post just two pars down. But yeah, my definition of “precisely one” doesn’t include … more than one. But I understand the frothing gets in the way of keeping track…

As for the nationalism thing - you just never got it. I don’t *care *what you say about South Africa, I’m not going to defend any non-erroneous statements made about the country - Anyone is welcome to tell me it’s an ugly place, or it has a racist past, or the men are too rapey, or the current government is corrupt, whatever. No problem, it’s not like it’s Israel, which seemingly has never ever done anything wrong in your eyes. But there has to be some sort of reason for bringing it up, man! You can’t just fling it out there, like you do your own poo.

Or hey, how about calling me a bigot while you put words in my mouth, that never gets old.

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Takes a special kind of stupid to link to exactly what I just described and claim it’s different. SA was brought up in that thread, it all over the place as you are pretending (and, of course, not citing as you made it up). And it was not raised as any digression but to show your hypocrisy whereby you happily admitted to being bigoted against Americans but obviously wouldn’t like people making negative assumptions (or definitive claims) about you simply because of your nationality.

Predictably you then retreat to babbling about “frothing” to try to hide the fact that, yep, that was one thread and not multiple threads, and it was directly related to the hypocrisy you were evincing. That you still think this is somehow anout nationalism rather than making claims about people due to their nationality just goes to show that you truly do not get it. Not even a little.

As I pointed out to you before, and as you failed to understand then just as I’m sure you’ll fail now: the objectionable part is the bigotry, is holding negative views about a group of people because of their nationality. Nationalism has nothing, at all, to do with it. It’s not about criticizing a nation, you idiot, it’s about holding negative views of a group of people because if their nationality. It’s the difference between saying that SA is a shitty country and the reason you’re so stupid and pugnacious is that you happen to be South African. Get it, finally?

Ah. That old lie. Exciting, and novel, too.
Of course, you know you’re full of shit but you’re saying something that you know to be false in order to provoke a reaction. I just linked to a thread where I described actions taken by Israel as “morally reprehensible”, and you’re not dumb enough to beieve that is not criticism. Likewise at the time even though I likened Israel’s conduct wrt SA to a crazed methhead who kills a kid because the cops rush him, you still actually thought
I was justifying it.

Or, at least, you claimed to.

You are a bigot and repeatedly admitted to holding negative views of Americans as a collective group. But your claims here should be trusted as much as your claims that I never criticize Israel, a claim you know to be a lie.

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Ooh boy, I get to play again!

Oh, and if it hasn’t been mentioned yet: IIRC, **Damuri **doesn’t multiquote because he usually posts from some sort of mobile device, where the feature isn’t available. The end result is obnoxious, but he doesn’t have much other option.

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Takes another kind of stupid to miss that that wasn’t the point of my link. You oaf.

… by you. Out of nowhere. You ass.

“beloved tactic” =/= “all over the place”, since we seldom interact. But you stuff that straw in there as hard as you can, you trooper.

You say “show the hypocrisy”, I say “failed tu quoque”. You troglodyte.

Still can’t count, can you? You mental defective.

Do you even read what you write? You lackwit.

Nope, it’s holding negative views about people for their actual actions. But I explained this in that thread already. You imbecile.

No, because in order for that to work, I’d have to be attacking, say, you, Finn, as retarded because you’re [whatever nationality you are] - which is not something I did. I said I had contempt for the majority of the American people because of things that* the majority of the American people* did.
OK, strictly, the majority of voting Americans, but that’s rhetoric for you. I’ll be more precise next time so the retards can follow along. You twit.

Actions speak louder than words, Finny. If you gonna say one thing, and then continue to excuse it with “justifications” in the next breath, I’m not particularly going to buy your moral outrage.
It’s the political equivalent of “I’m sorry…that you’re offended”. You cretin.

Because that’s exactly what you did. Rather than say “it was morally reprehensible” and shutting up, you went on with your pitiful analogies. because you are, of course, incapable of just shutting up, that much is obvious. You moron.

:rolleyes:You fail at subtle, too. You dolt.

…because of their own actions. But I know you can look up the definition of bigot as well as I can. So at this point, you’re not even trying. You dunce.

Nope, I stand by what I said - mealy-mouthedly mumbling empty words do not a criticism make. You simp.

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God damn it. I have had enough of this shit. Mossad this and Mossad that… you know, I’ve been putting up with it for almost 11 years on this board, but no more.

It’s THE Mossad. THE. MOSSAD. The word “mossad” is Hebrew for “institute”; the full name of the service is “The Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations”. It says so right here on its website. Couldn’t be clearer. *The *CIA. *The *KGB. *The *Mossad.

So stop it. Do you see me going around, disrespecting YOUR language? Huh!? DO YOU!? This ends, right here, right now.

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I hear that “Five Mossad Guys And A Van” offers bargain rates for short-haul moves.

Plus, if your stuff arrives intact, they do a little celebratory dance.

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I thought that was when they *dropped *your things?

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Well, that’s a rather fact-free post.

Sorry, but in my experience the overwhelming number of Israel’s critics are embarrassingly ignorant of the conflict and with extremely rare exceptions are unable to answer such basic questions as “what is the greatest tragedy to befall the Palestinians since the Naqba?” even when you give massive hints such as it happening in the past 30 years or involving a word beginning with the letter “K”(a question any 12-year-old Palestinian could answer) then it’s obvious they don’t care about the Palestinians or their cause.

You might as well argue that it’s possible to know a lot about the band Nirvanna but not know who Kurt Cobain is or be a huge fan of the NBA but not know who Kobe Bryant is.

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Huh - learn something new every day.

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You are confusing facts with interpretations. If a rock rolls down hill and crushes Joe Jones, it is entirely correct to assert that Joe Jones is dead. Calling it a “tragedy” depends on interpretation.