Holy Shit! Seriously?
I explicitly stated that they NOT lynch ShadowFacts for such specious reasoning. Die Town Die!
Early Gut says peekercpa is scum. I’m getting a feeling of “different” from peekercpa, while that could be due to holding a Town powerrole as well. But my gut says scum.
I think NaturalBlondChap is a Cabalist. I kind of wish brewha set the trap of just posting the results and staying out of the subsequent discussion and didn’t explicitly state that the Cabal knows brewha is right. (That is, if brewha really is the coroner). Anyway, the way NBC accepted brewha’s proclamation without scrutiny makes me think scum. HNC did that in C1 and I let it slide, which was a mistake. I might be wrong about NBC, but he should be taken to task. Quick acceptance of brewha coupled with the bizarre vote to save Darth makes NBC my prime candidate for Scum.
My personal feeling is that Town will need to remove all factions. Keeping 2 Witches alive seems like a difficult task. Town win will likely need all Cabal dead.
That’s some well-though analysis, sach. Too bad you’re not in the game. Without confirming or denying your accuracy in this case, I think your observation about NBC’s reaction to the brewha’s information is spot on. As in, that’s exactly what players need to be looking for. Information is much more finely divided in this rules set, and reaction to information is at least as important as the info itself.
I’m eagerly awaiting Dawn. Night One is always a pure craps-shot for the scum and power roles. It’s interesting seeing their thoughts as they pick and choose. And it’ll be even more fun watching the players and unspoiled watchers try to deconstruct what happened.
Well to be fair, having played the Coroner role before makes a difference. I became aware of the information imbalance and scum position on the Coroner claim because I experienced it, and because I let HNC slip through my fingers.
(For those keeping score, this is the same incident that got HNC to zero-in on Darth Sensitive in fluiddruid’s recruitment game).
Having seen things once, makes their re-occurence more easily spotted.
I shouldn’t post in the late hours. I don’t think as clearly then. NBC’s reaction to brewha is reason to think he’s scum (Cabalist). But NBC’s vote on oredigger is actually reason to think he is not a Cabalist. I have a hard time accepting that he would sitck his neck out to try and save Darth Sensitive with such a blatant vote. Scum simply can’t and won’t do that. It’s too obvious and too out in the open to attempt such a thing, and even doing so made saving Darth Sensitive a bit of a long shot. In the back of my mind I wonder if NBC is merely inexperienced, but I can’t really know.
I also have issues with the idea that voting for the second place vote getter has to be scummy. If that were the case, then second place could never ever take over first. If a Townie really felt that Oredigger was scum then voting oredigger is the correct move. The counter to this point is of course the timing. The Day was so very close to over. I’m not sure what to do about NBC’s vote.
Anyway, as suspicious as I am of NBC, lynching him without proof of brewha’s claim is insane. The entire case against NBC (including my point about his reaction to brewha) hinges on brewha being truthful. Town doesn’t know that yet! Until the confidence in brewha increases, lynching NBC is a bit off. NBC can wait. There are plenty of other fish to fry.
Side note: my personal read is that brewha is telling the truth. The tone of posts seems genuine.
As for the other oredigger voter, CatInASuit, I think he is town. His behavior as a whole has been pro-town and no scum motivation can be assigned to his actions. At some point in the continuum of Mafia Games scum will do exactly this to “look town” but until I see scum pull it off, I’m going to assume this behavior is a Town action. Personally, I think it is premature for scum to take such a tactic (playing vocal Townie with unpopular ideas). The general population is not yet reached the point where these actions are interpreted as “town.” Currently, the modus operandi is to look at vocal townies with irrational suspicion; so scum at this point would be (and should be) loathe to make a gambit in this manner. If CatInASuit turns up scum I’ll be surprised and his efforts will have been misguided. While he would have fooled me, he would have given himself up to the Town majority way of thinking.
You know, the only game I played where I didn’t get Day One lynch pressure was the only game in which I was scum.
Heh, I think that’s true for me too. 
I’m suddenly struck with the thought that Night chatting could facilitate the Vig in his operations. I wouldn’t be surprised if a Vig takes a shot at NBC. Personally, I think the action would be premature, but if a Vig did such a thing, I would totally understand the decision. And with NBC’s not-very-forthright answers during Night One, yeah, killing NBC is totally justified. One might even go so far as to publicly call for a Vig to take out NBC.
So brewha and NBC are dead. Don’t have much to say about Santo Rugger.
I can see brewha being enchanted, so that would be interesting. Also, they will not have the benefit of brewha’s information anymore. I pretty much thought that I’d get killed in C1 for this very reason, but that never happened. I see now that scum prefer a dead Coroner over a live one.
NBC being dead is consistent with my theory of a Vig kill. With all the suspicion NBC was getting at Night, scum would be silly to night kill NBC. I’m fairly sure a Vig killed NBC. (Unless its some crazy circumstance involving strange powers like a Magician or NBC is a Wolf who bit a Vampire, I don’t think these are likely cases, so I’m sticking to the NBC was vig-killed theory).
And I see that storyteller implies that pedescribe tried to kill him. What does that make Storyteller? a Magician or something? Scotsman? I haven’t read the rules since last Fall. Either way, storyteller’s position is plausible. Killing storyteller is a likely scum action (ironically, not killing storyteller is also a likely scum action, but that’s not my point), so the idea that pedescribe tried to kill storyteller is plausible in my mind. Oh wait. If Storyteller were a scotsman, he would have been designated as such. Magician then? Warlock? Am I going to just have to read the rules again myself? Or can I just sit in this thread and ask myself questions?
Oh, that was a fun Night. A lot happened and didn’t, but of course the public reveal doesn’t say much.
Please, keep speculating, sach. It’s interesting to hear what an unbiased, unspoiled observer thinks.
Okay, I re-read the rules:
NBC: To me it doesn’t make sense for scum to kill NBC. NBC would be much more valuable to scum if he were alive for a Day Two lynch. That leaves 2 possibilities for NBC’s death:
- Vig-killed. I’ve already stated that this makes sense… but!
- Magician-killed. Based on storyteller’s comments, storyteller being a Magician is the most plausible scenario I can figure at this time. My feeling is that storyteller deflected pedescribe’s attack on storyteller onto NBC. storyteller already stated his suspicion of NBC in the Night post.
I feel #2 makes the most sense. however I disagree with the notion that a Vig-kill of NBC would be “idiot.”
brewha: I think the probability of brewha being enchanted by a WitchDoctor and/or the target of a Warlock is quite high. The only roles that would take a shot at brewha are scum roles (even if brewha is lying). This is the perfect target for the Warlock. So much so I’m surprised brewha is dead. I suspect the Wolves knew the risks and DID NOT KILL BREWHA. I feel brewha was killed by a Vampire. Therefore, the Detective should not investigate the corpse of brewha.
CatInASuit: If CatInASuit is not a Wolf, I am curious why CatInASuit did not die during Night One. In C1, I could see a delay since the Detective needs to survive the Day and Night to report results. Since the Detective’s action is a Day action, nothing short of a lynch Today can prevent the Detective from investigating and reporting the results at Night. (The Detective role looks more powerful in C2 than in C1 for this reason). Also, the Detective should be able to assume that brewha was not killed by wolves. That leaves the choice between NBC and Santo Rugger. I think Detectives should investigate Santo Rugger as he is the most likely to have been killed by a Wolf. NBC might have been killed by a Wolf via storyteller, but storyteller has already stated that pedescribe tried to kill him, so if storyteller deflected this kill onto NBC, investigating NBC would be a waste. More info from storyteller is needed (and will be had by the end of the Day I suspect) but I’m fairly confident that is how things will shake out.
The town seems to be under the impression that brewha should have been protected. Uh, by whom?! The Witches are the only people who can protect someone. If Nanook really is a Witch, then the Witches were probably protecting him.
Also, if a Necromancer exists in the game, then we can assume that a Vicar exists in the game.
Proof: Darth Sensitive is not a Zombie.
Duh, I answered my own question. The Warlock should be targeting CatInASuit as he is a prime Wolf target. Perhaps my assertion that brewha was killed by a Vampire is off. I hate second guessing myself.
We have an old-fashioned bandwagon!
I’m surprised story came out so quickly. I would’ve waited a bit longer. Now the Town is going to spend the whole Day on the bird in the hand, instead of beating the bushes for more. At least, that’s the typical Town response.
And along with the old-fashioned bandwagon, we have an example of the number one reason I have no desire to ever play a game of Mafia online. Microscopic analysis of posts, PMs, rules and more.
Actually, it was kind of fun to read, I just figure I’d end up looking suspicious sooner or later for failing to pick up on a nuance like what information someone who attacked a Magician should expect to recieve in PM from the mod, etc.
But claiming to have picked storyteller at random was probably not pedescribe’s best move.
It’s not so bad once you lose your fear of getting lynched. 
I’m surprised too; and I very much would have waited a bit longer too. At the very least until Nanook posted his findings. The Day is so freaking long, there is no need to jump out so quickly. I also found it funny that people were getting annoyed at how long it was taking Nanook to post. It had been less than two hours from Dawn and people were pressuring Nanook to post.
What I would have liked to see is storyteller sit on information and see if anyone else made a mistake tipping off info that storyteller was the target. If pedescribe is a Wolf, then the other Wolves know storyteller was the target. This is information Town does not have and could be a point that could be leveraged for a trap. May not work, but it doesn’t hurt to try. Storyteller tipped off exactly what happened at Night so that anyone could figure it out and act accordingly. By staying silent pedescribe and friends could be tricked into thinking “protected” (Though they really shouldn’t be. The only protectors are Witches and storyteller being protected is unlikely).
BTW, Pleonast, your surprise at storyteller coming out so quickly indicates perfect information that storyteller is truthful. Not that I want to stifle your posts (I’m lonely in here!). Storyteller’s position is obviously Town at this point anyway so it doesn’t matter. Also living players shouldn’t be reading this thread anyway.
Interesting. According to this a Magician storyteller should know pedescribe’s role. Why is storyteller entertaining the possibility of pedescribe being a Vig when he should know outright what pedescribe is?
So are NBC, brewha, and Santo Rugger barred from this thread until the next Day due to potential witchdoctoring? Or are they just silent?
Doh! I try not to let slip actual information here. I’m putting my spoiled comments on my secret moderator board, so I can make my real thoughts there. I’ll try to be careful here, though.
I misspoke about the Magician rules. Sometimes there’s a disconnect between the rules in my head and what I type out. Sigh. I just hope I don’t make any big mistakes.
The Lynched are welcome here as soon as they’re hung, since there’s no coming back from the noose. Those killed at Night need to wait until they find out their final disposition. Both Witches and Cabalists are exceptions (if they’re in play 
), though, since both can continue to play post mortem on their secret boards.
You made zero mistakes in C1, which after two games riddled with Mod-mistakes was surprising. I think you are due.
Gosh I’m stupid. Wolves killing brewha makes perfect sense due to the wolves getting killed if they attack a Vampire. I believe the wolves killed a claimed Mason on the first night of C1 for this very reason. Sometimes I’m really dense.
I still think a Warlock targeting brewha or CatInASuit makes sense, but I’m not sure if the Wolves would be thinking that way. Personally, I would take a stab at random (chances of hitting Vampire are small) rather than take the risk of being cursed, but I can see Wolves taking out brewha too. So Detectives need to choose between brewha and Santo Rugger. I’d choose Santo Rugger.
NBC is simply not a viable choice. pedescribe has already claimed that storyteller is telling the truth and redirected his kill attempt.
ShadowFacts is rubbing me the wrong way. Usually we are very much in sync with our thinking. The fact that he’s saying stuff that I disagree with is making me wonder. Something feels different and for ShadowFacts, different would mean scum to me.
To some extent I understand why he says Nanook’s investigation is “convenient,” but the truth is Nanook could not be expected to know that his investigatee would claim within minutes of Daybreak. Frankly, smart scum would pick anyone and say “Town.” If hitting Town, then he’s not wrong. If hitting scum, then there still would not be a contradiction (at least not for a long while).
And yeah, storyteller really shouldn’t have spoken up so soon. In general I don’t think anyone should roleclaim within the first 24 hours of the Day unless they feel a strong need to establish primacy in information reveal, which storyteller clearly did not feel. Waiting would have been so much better. Plus, now the game is dead for a week.
I’m not giving any additional information when I say this: the Wolves are the most numerous scum. They need to be because of the risks they take when they kill. So it’s certainly plausible for Wolves to sacrifice multiple members to further some ploy.