Frank, you're such a tool (for closing my thread, etc.)

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I’m new here, so I probably have no business posting in a Pit thread, but this intrigues me.

How does attention whore apply in this context? I tried to look it up in Google and found this (Urban Dictionary). I scanned the first page and didn’t find the answer to the question.

The words give the implication that attention is sought, but wouldn’t posting more have the effect of getting more attention?

[QUOTE=Aeschines]
What I find pretty disgusting is the idea that saying anything against the board groupthink is now “trolling.” Add in the banning campaigns, and do you really have a very healthy board here? Of course, from the beginning I haven’t had any illusions about this place being a haven for free speech. I’ve always had to tone it down for fear of banning (or now suspension).
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Wouldn’t this be the case with any forum? I haven’t been to a lot of forums, but I’ve been to a few, and they seem very similar whether they’re moderated or not. People get together to talk about some issues, and after some time, they form a cohesive bond based on the common interests of the people who are the most prolific or who have been there the longest. Any person that posts about issues criticizing the social norm will be ostracized. Do you feel that it’s possible to have a forum where all opinions are equally valid among all participants? What would that look like?

If such a forum is possible, should it exist? Given that most people are judgmental (whether rightly or wrongly), would it be authentic to have a forum where people are required to treat all views as equal?

Every community seems to have sacred cow issues. Does questioning these issues help or hurt the community? How?

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This is for Asskinds.

I’m a big guy. Nearly 300 lbs., I’m past the point of no return- 6’2" 280. I was in my youth 6’2"and 212, all muscle and a “normal human” (glory days). My first girlfriend was saftig and perfect Marilyn Monroe dimensions. She was heavy and curvy and chesty. Hefnerian perfection. My other girlfriends to sum up, were all progressively larger, and more beautiful.

I’m a Big Ass Solid and Flabby Mofo… a fat bastard. But my ass has got some momentum and only the sturdy and well built enjoy my caliber. My caliber is mass and velocity unequaled by your ideal. I’m an Ak-47 bodyshock-- mass and speed tumbling chubby. Perfect flesh, wanting…eager. My body exists for touch. I have more dimension, more surface area than you will ever know… and so does my lover. Think of the exponential pleasure. You can only imagine.

But you know what, I want Love… perfection exists outside of your assumption, it isn’t twisted by societal deception, it is trued and straightened by experience and true bliss.

Imagine your bony ass against my equal…my 300 pound beauty, she gives and she gets and I aim to please with all of my weight and passion behind… and you are literally maybe half of me if you are lucky. Face it, physics are against you. You are literally half the man I am and couldn’t handle a real woman. A woman who has felt the physical and figurative weight of the world. You could not satisfy, it is a physical impossibility.

But you know what, I want Love… perfection exists outside of your assumption, it isn’t twisted by societal deception, it is trued and straightened by experience and true bliss.

But seriously, the passion and pure sexual energy unleashed between fat people is unequaled. We have been confined and marked by contemporary societal convention. We are confined and repressed sexuality, and when that explode you got an undeniable mess. All the while, we are truly human with, believe it or not, the same desire and passions as the “blessed” svelt. I wanted my “fat” girlfriends as much as they wanted me. I want them all in a way such that I try to eat them out to their core. I’m fuckin’ and lickin that pussy like it’s the cure. I want to get to the medicine and cure us of our abnormality. We have all the same sexual parts and they work just like yours. We love and lust. . and that is bliss. Whatever physical and temporal state we are in is without regret… but I can lose weight and be the same person. But you will gain weight and remain the same fucktard with a life of regret in meaningless and superficial sex with heat.

To view us in such an alien light is denying your humanity. Someday, you are going to see biology in true light. Biology will prevail, much as the “obese human”, time will sneak up behind you, and you will be subject to life, and that is your denial.

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So he believes in ghosts and ESP and all that, but love and monogamy are fairy tales, somehow?
Mmmmmkay.

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[QUOTE=devilsknew]

My caliber is mass and velocity unequaled by your ideal. I’m an Ak-47 bodyshock-- mass and speed tumbling chubby. Perfect flesh, wanting…eager. My body exists for touch. I have more dimension, more surface area than you will ever know… and so does my lover. Think of the exponential pleasure. You can only imagine…
But seriously, the passion and pure sexual energy unleashed between fat people is unequaled. We have been confined and marked by contemporary societal convention. We are confined and repressed sexuality, and when that explode you got an undeniable mess. All the while, we are truly human with, believe it or not, the same desire and passions as the “blessed” svelt. I wanted my “fat” girlfriends as much as they wanted me. I want them all in a way such that I try to eat them out to their core. I’m fuckin’ and lickin that pussy like it’s the cure.
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(some editing by me)

This, well really that whole post, makes me want to have sex right now. The imagery was so earthy and animalistic. Jesus Christ, I’m going to have to wake up my husband.
Devilsknew, darling, your woman is a lucky one.

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[QUOTE=Aeschines]
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What I find pretty disgusting is the idea that saying anything against the board groupthink is now “trolling.” Add in the banning campaigns, and do you really have a very healthy board here? Of course, from the beginning I haven’t had any illusions about this place being a haven for free speech. I’ve always had to tone it down for fear of banning (or now suspension).
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This part of your post is interesting. You have set yourself up as a Martyr with it.

It is not the ideas that get you accused of trolling, but rather your presentation. I am too chicken to have shown any support for you in the other thread, as you opened it with an Op that was so easily insulting to so many people. If you had asked the question carefully phrased not to offend, you would have gotten more answers like the second answer you received. I actually agree that you are no shallower than most men I know of for allowing physical appearance to influence your choices for dates, girlfriends or partners. I think this is very common and more common the younger we are. The way you phrase your Op was can easily be taken as either ignorantly insulting or trolling. As a 22 year old, I would not have asked a very overweight woman out on a date. Very few of my friends would have. I had at least one friend that would and did, but he had his own hang-ups. He would not date an Asian woman; he found them much too small for his taste. I knew people that would never date black girl. I knew a black guy that did not want to date black girls. Close to what you said at one point, I think most men have had hang-ups when they are young. I think overall most men are shallower about physical appearance then woman.

As far as the banning campaigns, you started this pit thread for little reason. You had to realize that it would not run very favorable to you, did you not? No one started a pit thread calling for you to leave. You started the ball rolling yourself. Mswas & Drmark2000 were trolls pure and simple. Why you bothered to defend them leaves me confused.

I am glad to hear you have no illusions about free speech on a privately owned and operated message board. That would be stupid and show no knowledge of what freedom of speech actually covers. If you insult people on a board, you will get back all you gave and interest. I you declare yours is the right way and you are vastly smarter than all others, you will be hounded out like a certain insane DrMock was.

I do not think you need to tone down your beliefs as much as you need to tone down your insults. But as I already said, I do not see you heading for ban-nation and I have enjoyed some of your threads.

Good Luck,
Jim

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[QUOTE=Heffalump and Roo]
Any person that posts about issues criticizing the social norm will be ostracized.
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In this particular case, his views earn analysis (in the GD forum) and ridicule (in the Pit), but in no event is he being ostracized for his views alone. His deliberately abrasive behaviour and childishness hurt him infinitely more than how he feels about ESP, and it will be his behaviour and not his views that will likely eventually sever his membership with this board.

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[QUOTE=FaerieBeth]
This, well really that whole post, makes me want to have sex right now. The imagery was so earthy and animalistic.
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Hmm. To play—ah—devil’s advocate for a moment, that isn’t what it made me want to do. Guess it was “earthy and animalistic,” though.

[QUOTE=devilsknew]
To view us in such an alien light is denying your humanity. Someday, you are going to see biology in true light. Biology will prevail, much as the “obese human”, time will sneak up behind you, and you will be subject to life, and that is your denial.
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I hope Aeschines, if he’s still reading, has better luck parsing this than I did. (Is there supposed to be a sinister laugh at the end?)

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[QUOTE=devilsknew]
Imagine your bony ass against my equal…my 300 pound beauty, she gives and she gets and I aim to please with all of my weight and passion behind… and you are literally maybe half of me if you are lucky. Face it, physics are against you. You are literally half the man I am and couldn’t handle a real woman. A woman who has felt the physical and figurative weight of the world. You could not satisfy, it is a physical impossibility.
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You made me fuckin’ ralph, dude.

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[QUOTE=What Exit?]
This part of your post is interesting. You have set yourself up as a Martyr with it.
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I disagree. I am the un-martyr of the board. I am NOT oppressed here. I am NOT a victim. I have explicitly altered my posting practices many times to avoid problems and the Big Banning Campaign. I do so because posting here is enjoyable and useful to me, and I don’t respect my opponents or TPTB enough to think that a flameout would have any meaning.

Um, call the waaambulance? It was unPC but hardly the insult-fest of the century.

I got a ton of good answers IMV.

“Shallow” is a word women use when they don’t want to be judged on their appearance and men use when they don’t want to be judged on their bank accounts. It’s just the way things are and ain’t nothing gonna change it.

It seems favorable to me. Some people I don’t know defended me and my opinion that the thread shouldn’t have been closed, and the same old dickheads are wishing that I’d be banned.

I hate that word, “troll.” It’s a catchall for lots of different things, some of them actually positive. There is a debate on this board as to whether whooshing is trolling. Well, whooshing can be quite funny. Subtly getting a rise out of people can be funny. And funny is good if the cost in tears and frustration by the punk’d isn’t too high in proportion. Mswas had just a pretty cool perspective on things but was, IMHO, genuinely nuts. DrMark was a smart, supercilious, snarky dude who just wouldn’t back the fuck down no matter how many of the Regular Dickheads were against him. I’ve said it before, but if there’s something this board won’t stand for it’s someone who won’t take a beating.

Neither of the above two were trolls. They were guys who loved battle. There’s a difference.

Your point being?

I think I’m of average smartness for this board. I don’t feel hounded. I get in a scuffle now and then, and then it’s pretty much forgotten by both sides. The Regular Dickheads continue to dislike me no matter what, but I couldn’t care less. They are the dregs.

Thank you. Only the deadenders of the board wish for my banning, as it will never happen.

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Devilsknew?

You have both hands on the keyboard when you typed that last post? Because that was pretty fuckin’ odd.

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[Quote=What Exit?]

If you insult people on a board, you will get back all you gave and interest. I you declare yours is the right way and you are vastly smarter than all others, you will be hounded out like a certain insane DrMock was.
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[QUOTE=Aeschines]
I think I’m of average smartness for this board. I don’t feel hounded. I get in a scuffle now and then, and then it’s pretty much forgotten by both sides. **The Regular Dickheads ** continue to dislike me no matter what, but I couldn’t care less. They are the dregs.
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Him forgetting insults? Must be my imagination. :slight_smile:

What Exit? is correct, you are getting it back with interest. But I’m not with the let’s ban you “dregs” I actually expect you to hang around.

Because there is only 4 months left to see you eat a ton of crow for declaring last April that the SDMB won’t exist in another year for banning people like DrMark2000.

If you are banned your guarantee will remain, but not as fun to trow around if you are not here.

And lets be precise OK? **DrMark ** is still a good member, **DrMark2000 ** showed that there is a reason why the SDMB frowns on really similar names, it usually points to people who do indeed want to cause as much trouble as possible, smearing a good poster’s name was a bonus for that troll.

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[QUOTE=What Exit?]

Frank, there is no such thing as **This year’s Model ** of an Adze. I think you are more of a good Craftsman’s Band saw; a reliable and multipurpose tool. :wink:
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I prefer the theory that a previous poster had, that This Year’s Model was a 5’8", 138# blonde woman with a 34-C chest (Frank must then refer to a moderator’s need to be forthright and candid). In that case, the tool in question would have to be a Snap-On power tool.

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I just don’t understand why the thread needed to be closed. I guess what I have trouble coming to grips with is that it seems threads are often closed to protect us from ourselves. If someone is annoying or inuslting folks seem intent on feeding the beast. Why can’t folks just move on and ignore it?

I can see reasons for closing a thread, like when someone is givng away information on how to illegally download music. Or when the level of vitriol has gone over a line to racial epithets or such. But where someone is just being annoying seems weak to me.

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[QUOTE=saoirse]
(Frank must then refer to a moderator’s need to be forthright and candid). In that case, the tool in question would have to be a Snap-On power tool.
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More like a drop light, I’d say. 1,000 candid-power.

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[QUOTE=dahfisheroo]
Devilsknew?

You have both hands on the keyboard when you typed that last post? Because that was pretty fuckin’ odd.
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And gross. If the image you were going for, Devilsknew, was pigs at a trough, you succeeded pretty well.

I’m well into ‘morbidly obese’ myself (I need to lose 50kg - about 100lbs - to get to the high edge of a healthy weight) and I was involved for almost 2 years with a guy bigger than me. Even so, I don’t have FaerieBeth’s ability to see read your post as ‘earthy and animalistic’ - just slobbery.

Of course, **Aeschines **has no interest in learning not to be a shallow prick, so I doubt it’s made any ongoing impact on his outlook one way or the other.

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I don’t think it’s any less vitriolic to speak of some human beings as if they were worthless blobs than it is to use racial epithets.

Nothing excuses either one. If Aeschines is so emotionally, intellectually, socially and sexually immature that he cannot see that it’s the same thing, then maybe the experience will be a reminder.

Personal insults, on the other hand, I find very easy to shrug off. They don’t damage groups of people by perpetuating stereotypes.

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[QUOTE=Bites When Provoked]
Even so, I don’t have FaerieBeth’s ability to see read your post as ‘earthy and animalistic’ - just slobbery.
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Meh, don’t mind me. I guess I watch too much porn. Plus, a current dry spell brought on by end-of-the-semester stress is making me antsy. :stuck_out_tongue: I just thought it was intense, and great that he could get that worked up about his woman, no matter what anyone else thought of her (or him). It might have lacked finesse, but you can’t argue that he feels strongly about her (and their sexual relationship).

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[QUOTE=dahfisheroo]
Devilsknew?

You have both hands on the keyboard when you typed that last post? Because that was pretty fuckin’ odd.
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It was kind of experimental…

How else do you relate to the physical snd superficial, but to expound on the physical and superficial? It was straightalk, maybe too masculine, but my message was universal. He seems to think fat sex is inconceivable, so I gave him conception.

I’m not that offended by Aeschines question, and certainly don’t think it’s a bannable offense. To each his own. Impermenance, Aeschines, impermenance.

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[QUOTE=devilsknew]
How else do you relate to the physical snd superficial, but to expound on the physical and superficial? It was straightalk, maybe too masculine, but my message was universal. He seems to think fat sex is inconceivable, so I gave him conception.
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Huh. Good point. Well, 10/10 for effort, at least. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Aeschines]
I am NOT a victim.
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You’ve often claimed to be a victim, which I guess makes you a liar.