Right. Because there’s no difference whatsoever between discriminating on the basis of race and discriminating on the basis of an individual’s actions.
Once you allow that there are such categories as “human vermin,” the entire moral question of exterminating them becomes diminished. If you have laws against behavior, enforce them, but don;t create a category that justifies different legal standards for “people” and “human vermin,” bcause that’s just inventing loopholes in the law for those you dislike.
He said legal means. So apparently putting child molesters on trial and in prison is somehow on par with the Holocaust? There aren’t enough :rolleyes:.
As for the OP, Christianity doesn’t erase human emotions. Hearing about pedophilia does make me want to throw a punch or two. That shouldn’t make FriarTed a bad person-merely human.
The Holocaust, now that you mention it, was legal.
Is this just your feeling of what God wants, or is there something in the Bible that supports that? Seems to contradict what I know of the teachings of Christ (which I admit is far from complete).
This all started because of a question about associating with a pedophile who was not currently offending, may never have, and was in a hypothetical situation where it would not be possible. The question is whether it is Christian in spirit to hate and shun a person under such circumstances. Do you agree that it is?
Originally Posted by CircleofWillis
Sweet, How many vampires does it take to change a light bulb? Dunno, it’s never been done and the pile of ashes below is getting huge.
Lord Ashtar this post made me giggly.
I’ve been wanting to ask a Christian about this, but you’re the closest that has come to saying words so close to the actual sentiment, so I’ll ask you.
Are you saying that God encourages the legal sanction of executing child molesters? Did He always have this opinion? Because I find it odd that He allowed Mary to bear His son when she was only 14 years old and allowed her to marry Joseph who may have been up to 30 years her senior, and to whom Mary had been promised to since she was 5 years old. cite
Did God change his mind on the age thing? Or was that whole Mary/Joseph/Jesus thing something in the past that He wants to change? Or does God change with the times? Or do you interpret the Bible differently than the cite/site above?
Since you seem to be speaking for God, why was God OK with the whole age thing at the time of Jesus but is not OK with it now?
Oooh oohh don’t forget that whole Lot offering his virgin daughters to the mob so they would leave his guests alone. Apparently offering young virgins to be raped by mobs made him the only righteous man in Sadam or Gomora I never can remember which…
Found it.
We won’t mention what happened to his wife that was a fine bit of justice…
This position seems completely at odds with the Christian doctrine as I conceive it.
The mere concept of “human vermin” seems totally unchristian to me. There can’t be such a thing as “human vermin” in the eyes of God (at best you could argue that everybody is “human vermin” in His eyes, even though I’m not fond of this perspective, but you can’t single out a particular category).
Now, this is coming from an atheist, but still I know enough of Christianity both from the outside and from the inside to tell that were I a Christian I would think that entertaining such thoughts, and, much worse, ascribing them to God, might put you on your way to perdition.and that soul-searching and prayer for enlightenment is probably warranted.
As the old saw goes, you can be sure that you’ve invented God in your own image when it turns out that He hates all the same things/people that you do.
Then again, Ted proved that he’s not above supporting liars like Jews for Jesus, or lying himself in support of their agenda, even when the truth is blatantly obvious. His technique was to claim that JfJ was just presenting themselves as being in line with ‘cultural’ or ‘biblical’ Judaism, and not that they were compatible with the modern Jewish religion. When it was pointed out that their own website showed them subverting (among other things) Bat Mitzvahs as a Christian ceremony, he simply maintained his deception.
It’s obvious that he either believes that his religion absolves him of the responsibility to act decently, or that immoral behavior is justifiable when in the service of his particular religion.
Religion itself isn’t inherently a problem, but assholes who cloak/justify their behavior in the gauze of religion are some stone solid bastards.
Gee, and you’re so sane when it comes to other subjects.
So let’s see- the worst things about me revolve around me believing that there’s nothing wrong with wanting to see child molesters dead and supporting Messianic Jewish groups.
OK, I can live with that.
Since I'm here, I may as well deal with the issues of pedophilia, redemption & forgiveness.
First, let me admit that when challenged in the other thread, my response was to solidify my position & get all bad-ass about it, even moreso when Ip opened up this Pit thread. Yeah, I could have thought things through & modified my statement, but that's no fun.
So since several people brought up these really valid issues, I do need to address them & concede on some things.
My faith tells me that salvation is available to everyone, and the only unforgivable sin is knowingly refusing the personal touch of God ("blaspheming the Holy Spirit"), and that the vilest offender who comes to Him in true repentance will not be turned away.
My faith tells me that we should do all we can do encourage such repentance & redemption.
My faith does not tell me that such offenders should be returned to society, but can and if necessary should be taken out of free society permanently. My faith also does not tell me that capital punishement is wrong. Jewish & Christian Scripture clearly allow it- even commanding it in some circumstances. My faith also tells me that the protection of the innocent, and in some cases, their avenging is a good & holy mission.
More perhaps later...Wasn’t it God that nuked Sodom and Gonorrhea from orbit?
Christian doctrine as I (and many others) conceive it is only loosely related to the content of the Old Testament.
Gee, if only there was, I dunno… a commandment against lying.
Funny, of course, how you changed justifying your own bloodlust by saying it’s what God wants into simply “wanting to see child molesters dead”.
Or how you’re still lying and claiming that a group of Evangelical Christians founded by ordained Baptist minister Martin Rosen (who goes by “Moishe” for some reason, eh, eh?) are Jews. And of course, you still don’t have the honor to retract your previous lie that they’re just saying they’re ‘biblical’ or ‘cultural’ Jews, while they do things like cast the Bat Mitzvah ceremony as a Christian ceremony. Or advise parents to disallow their children from marrying Jews since Jews are"unbelievers", despite your (and their) lies that there’s no conflict between being Jewish and a gentile.
Even your phrase “Messianic Jew” is an exercise in deception. It means “Christian”.
And if you weren’t a liar and a fraud, it’d occur to you why it’s not just deliberately deceptive, but insulting and offensive. You’re not too stupid to realize why a gentile isn’t a Jew, you’re just too dishonest to realize that there just might be a problem with trying to convert people to your religion using lies.
But I’m sure that the God you’ve invented not only wants you to desire the death of some folks, He also likes you lying to Jews.
What a scamp your God is.
You’re still a son of a whore, of course.
He had to be sure.
As your kind (and I do NOT mean Jews) also called our Lord and Savior, Who is the Son/Word/Avatar/Incarnation of the Bloody Death-Dealing God that some say your people invented, the one and only YHWH.
But don’t worry- He’ll take you back on the day you and every creature bows and admits that He is LORD.
Leave it to simple minded petty idiots to invent a simple minded petty idiotic deity. Why would an all powerful being give a shit if we bow or admit he is lord? An enlightened being would not give a shit what we admit or don’t it seems it would be more interested in our being good people and doing good acts not that we just be obsequious sycophants…
Your version of god is just an insecure bully with self esteem issues and delusions of grandeur. Not good qualities in an all powerful loving god.
Your “faith” may well say whatever the fuck it wants to say. Some people’s faith tells them that there are billions of lesser gods and other’s tell them to believe in Aliens. Your Messiah on the other hand is well documented in the Bible and he held opposing views did he not?
Vengence, a holy mission? In your hatefull warped version of Christianity maybe but not in the version that Jesus wanted.