Friend to hold NYE party same night as mine; invites same people…rude or what? (long)

Didn’t you ever watch Dawson’s Creek?

People are being mean because this is the Pit. I think it’s like anything-goes in here, almost.

Anyway, to put it nicely: Your feelings are valid in the sense that they are your feelings, but they shouldn’t be the only thing that drives your actions. B is trying to keep everyone happy (a sure recipe for disaster), and it’s not rude to attend two different parties on New Year’s Eve. As a host, it’s your job to make everyone at your party happy, so just proceed with that in mind.

N, our stories aren’t exactly similiar but it’s the same general concept. My reasons for breaking off the friendship could VERY well be the same reasons B would be tempted to break off yours.

The funny thing is, if I had attended her graduation for the first half, then had to leave because I had another friend’s graduation to attend, she would’ve been fine with it. Most people would. It’s called being reasonable.

And if you’re so darn happy with your new beau, why do you care so much if B is there, essentially being a third wheel? Did you ever stop to consider the fact that he might be uncomforatable in your intimate little gathering? Maybe that’s why he wants to attend S’s party later.

If you’d stop for a millisecond and put yourself in his shoes, you might learn something.

With any hope, you’d at least see how unreasonable, selfish and immature you’re being. Like others here, I’m shocked that you’re 28 years old.

If both parties were planned for April 20, I’d be inclined to agree with you, jlzania, but it’s freakin’ New Years Eve. Every fourth person in the country is probably throwing a party. Party-hopping is what folks do on New Years Eve. And nyctea indicated that they would probably be two very different parties–hers more of a quiet affair, S’s more of a bash.

And you can make the argument that once a party moves to a bar, it’s no longer really a party. In effect, nyctea is throwing an early party, then going to a bar with some of her friends.

Nyctea, you seem to have missed the mark with your OP. You asked if what you did was wrong, when you seem to have meant to be issuing invitations to a pity party. What people did was to repond to your OP - and let you know that your overreaction was, in fact, ludicrously inappropriate.

So you didn’t get the response you were after. Fair enough. you were acting in a way that was childish, more than a little creepy and vaguely obsessive in a way that has possessive overtones that others have - quite rightly - said sound scarily like a love-gone-wrong kinda thing.

Then you start campaigning on a different track. “Empathy!” you cry. “Why doesn’t anyone tell me that I’m right to feel that someone who’s behaved perfectly appropriately is in the wrong so that I can feel self-righteous?” Short answer - you’re the one with the problem here. In the same way that you don’t feel bad for a convicted child molester who goes to gaol and has to wake up behind bars every morning, we don’t feel bad for you because, to quote the bard, you’re being an arseclown. The fact that you feel that way is because you can’t help your instinctive emotional response of self-pity, not because your soul is stainless.

Saying that you don’t want to sleep with the guy is neither here nor there. You’re still acting possessively - as though you’ve got exclusive claims on him, his relationships with others and how he spends his time - in the way that one expects to see lovers or close family act. If you aren’t in love with him and you’re not his parent, you don’t have that excuse.

So you took a few lumps. If you don’t want to do that, don’t accidentally pit yourself. Grow up. Work out what sort of relationship you really have with this person. If you want to remain friends, apologise and make good. You’re in the wrong. Not him, you. And take the opportunity to remember that if you don’t want an answer to a question, don’t ask it.

Learn. Repent. Grow. Recognise that existence does continue for others beyond the glorious light of your presence.

Okay, calm down everyone, Mama’s here to fix things.

Yes, you are allowed to be hurt. You are not allowed to be rude. Read some Miss Manners. The invitation you get and accept first is the one you stick with, and B is wrong.

However.

It’s New Years’ Eve, and you are throwing a short, hour or two party before wandering off to a pub where everyone will be swallowed up by the crowd…if B. snuck out then, you wouldn’t even notice, because you are going to be paying attention to the guy you plan on kissing at midnight. Remember him? The object of your affection? What were you planning on doing, hanging on to B’s arm while you smooch Mr. Wonderful? Maybe B. wants to smooch someone who is going to be at S’s party…the man needs his smooch.

Call him, explain your feelings were hurt and you spoke hastily, and then tell B. you hope to see him for the first part of the evening. Forgive his rudeness for accepting another invitation, and remember that as painful as it is, friendships change over time and we are rarely best friends with the same people in our twenties as in our fifties…unless we give them space to live their lives.

N, don’t want to pile on, so I’m just going to address a subpoint that seems mostly overlooked.

You’ve repeatedly complained that B is not treating you the way you have treated him in the past, or how you would treat him in the same circumstances. This is undoubtedly true.

But then you proceed to judge that this means you are the one behaving in the Only True Way a friend would, and since he isn’t that means he is disloyal, a bad friend, and what all.

Really, hon, that doesn’t follow. Different people have different notions of what being a friend means, and especially have different notions of how much various bits of possible interaction mean to the other person in a relationship.

A good friend and I once broke up, over a lapse on my part that I thought was trivial and she thought was major. What happened? I forgot her birthday, didn’t so much as send her a card or wish her Happy Birthday when we ran into each other that day. To her this was a huge betrayal of friendship. She always remembered mine. In fact, she picked out really nice presents and wrapped them and all – she even made me a birthday cake two years! To her, if I couldn’t be bothered to remember her birthday at all, well then, it meant I really didn’t care about her, that I wasn’t a true friend, and it had been a sham all along. And now that she knew the truth she was bitterly disappointed and wanted nothing further to do with me.

Well, guess what? From my side, my forgetting to celebrate her birthday meant nothing of the kind. What it indicated was that I had been busy with other matters, and celebrating birthdays is very, very low on my own priority list and so I’d just forgotten. That’s just how I and my family are – we don’t make big deals out of birthdays, never have. Personally I’ve never had a birthday party in my life. It doesn’t mean we don’t love each other, we just have different ways of showing it.

I was incredulous over how much importance she placed on this Birthday Card nonsense when we broke up. She decided I didn’t care because I didn’t mail her a chunk of paper on one day? The fact that, oh, I’d helped her moved her stuff to three different apartments in just the last year didn’t count? That I’d come to her place and cleaned it and brought her three meals a day when she was down with a horrible flu that summer meant nothing? That I pet sat for her whenever she had to travel? Hundreds and hundreds of hours of shared conversation and support and encouragement and help in achieving her goals over the years – none of that counted, since I hadn’t patronized Hallmark? Sheesh, what an idiot, I thought. If she felt that way, then good riddance.

Which was stupid, of course. To her, birthdays REALLY MATTERED in friendships, in the way that, oh, LENDING A HAND WHEN HELP IS NEEDED in friendship matters to me.

To bring this back to your situation, N, can you consider that this rift between you and B is happening because you two happen to place different degrees of important over being in the same place at the hour of midnight, 1/1/04? To you, it clearly matters. To B? Apparently not. Maybe he thinks in terms of “we’re good friends, we’ve been together hundreds of times in the past, and will be hundreds of times in the future, so compared to that, these few hours matter very, very little.”

Basically, what other have said: Doesn’t this decade long friendship matter more than a couple of hours? Do you really want to give up all you and he have meant to each other because you are hurt about what will happen for a couple of hours one night?

There are some major differences here. 1) We have celebrated NYE together for some 7 or so years in a row now. It is a very special tradition for us, well at least it was. 2) You were unaware of how much emphasis your friend placed on birthdays. I am sure if you had known how much it meant to her, you would have done your best to do something for her. B is well aware of how much this situation hurts me, so he is making a conscious decision…you merely forgot.

See above. For years, this has been important to both of us. We have always made plans together and planned to be together, no matter what. It is disappointing to me that this year is different.

He’s not bowing out. He’s going to be there.

Your party will be over by midnight.

Let me point out that I never said I was going to end the friendship over this! In fact, we have talked about this and we are working it out…more on that later.

Thank you, thank you. I wholeheartedly agree. I find it ironic that people keep telling me to grow up and that I am acting childish, when accepting an invitation and changing directions at the last minute is a breach of etiquette. Just as not RSVPing to and invitation and showing up, or RSVPing to a party and NOT showing up are terribly rude. I am surprised at how many of you think this kind of thing is acceptible. I would never do such a thing, especially to a best friend.

I am beginning to think maybe a lot of people don’t have a best friend like mine. We love each other. We are closer than brother and sister. Why would it be so shocking to you that I would be extremely upset that I won’t be seeing him at the gathering I was so looking forward to? How many of you have a best friend you’ve had for 15 years, who you can tell anything and everything to, who you see all the time, who you do everything with? Who comes to your family’s Christmas dinner, your family’s Thanksgiving dinner, your parents’ and sibling’s and aunts’ birthday parties? I feel lucky to have such a close friend, very fortunate. But yeah it hurts when he would rather go hang with a casual friend than his best friend…especially since I have been planning my party for weeks.

  1. Of course I would notice if he were not there and 2) no he is not uncomfortable. You see, I am one of those rare friends who DOES NOT ditch their friends once they start dating someone. I’m a package deal, you get me and my friends and family. My best friend is just as important as my boyfriend or my family or anyone else I care for. I have been ditched enough times when a friend gets a significant other to know that it doesn’t feel good.

There is no such thing as being a third wheel here. B has been there with me through numerous boyfriends over the years. He becomes friends with them, they become friends with him. I don’t know how I would feel about a boyfriend who didn’t like him. I would never give B up for a man.

I think not. That is just when the party will really get started:)

I’m not sure if he’ll ever come out. I think he would rather die before admitting it to his family. (He knows how gay-friendly I am though–I was just thinking tonight that we’re just like “Will and Grace”.) Lots of men are gay and get married to women and remain “in the closet” for years and years, finally coming out after they have grown children and everything. So this is not too hard to believe. But his gayness or non-gayness is neither here nor there…

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Whack HE IS GOING TO BE AT YOUR PARTY
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And your friendship is bigger than Jesus. And more powerful than a locomotive. And wider than an infinite number of galaxies placed end to end. And when the two of you meet, Muslim and Israeli children spontaneously come together holding hands and singing cheery tunes in their chipper widdle voices while angels dance on the heads of pins and elephants in tutus throw rose petals.
We are all, all of us, every single one of us, from Adams to Zotti, from troll to sock, from newbie to oldie, panda and lurker and bears oh my oh my oh so jealous of you and your friend. Truly. From the cockles of our hearts. Or maybe the sub-cockles.

Just knowing that there is a relationship like yours out there gives me hope to keep on living. His breaking your warm and altruistic heart like this fills my soul with sadness.

Throughout this whole thread, I keep thinking there’s something really screwed up with this relationship… B is supposed to be SO close to you, and you THINK he’s Gay, and he KNOWS how open you are on Gay issues, and you’re “closer than brother and sister”, yet he hasn’t come out to you…

Maybe B isn’t really going to the other party, and is actually going to go out with some people who actually care about him enough to discuss his life… Or maybe S is one of those people… or maybe since B is Gay, he doesn’t feel like standing around with a bunch of drunken straight people in a straight bar… and decided being at S’s party is a better option…

Jeez, if you all are so uptight and tripped out about a NYE party, I would not want to hang out with you all anyway…

Get a grip and quit whining…combine the party and have fun for christsakes! Who gives a shit on NYE anyway?

Jesus Christ…he was never not coming to your fuckng party.

I’m not sure I’d even want a wife like this. I feel smothered just reading this. Kind of scary, actually.

You’ll be at a bar by then.

Dear B,

Run fast.

Run far.

Signed,

A.N.Onymous.

PS: If you have any pets, particularly bunny rabbits, hide them.

PPS. Same goes for large saucepans.

My .02 worth:

nyctea scandiaca:
Life is indeed too brief for this bicker.

Why not talk to S about combining the parties? Suggest a combined party at yours? Or have your friends meet at yours and then go on to S’s. I don’t know what to suggest, but try, don’t just think up excuses.

About B, I don’t think I can help.

I’ve been thinking about what I would do in B’s situation. I’m a nice guy, don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, especially my friend’s.

I’ve been invited to by best friend’s small NYE party, and accepted. Afterwards, I recieve an invitation to another party that, for some unknown reason, I really want to go to. I don’t want to hurt N’s feelings, but I do want to go to S’s party.

When I looked back at the OP, B’s response was exactly what I think I might do. See if I can get the parties joined, so that I can hang with N on NYE, AND go to S’s party. Do you see? He wants to be with you on NYE, but also wants to be at S’s party, and can’t make it happen because of your insistence on NOT going to S’s party.

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Um.

You’re changing your story again dear.

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I’d be willing to bet that close to 100% of the readers of the above paragraph took that to mean that you’re dumping him or scaling the friendship way back.

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Um. Are you monomaniacal? Are you even reading these responses?

He is showing up.
Anyway, Miss Manners also sez that a group outing (like a movie or hanging out with drunks at a bar) is a seperate event from a party. Unless you rented the bar. If you did rent the bar (on New Year’s Eve. With a live band. For “a small group”. At a guess, that’d cost you ohhh…$7000.00. And you didn’t mention that you were renting the whole bar earlier) and he backed out, that’s another matter entirely.

Miss Manners also sez that party hopping on NYE is just fine. (I don’t have a cite, but I’m sure other Dopers’ll will corroborate)

Almost no-one is saying that you weren’t right to be upset. Just about everyone says that your psychotic e-mail was out-of-proportion and over-the-top; waaaaay disproportionate to his missing a couple of hours in a bar with you.

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**How many of you have a best friend you’ve had for 15 years, who you can tell anything and everything to, who you see all the time, who you do everything with? Who comes to your family’s Christmas dinner, your family’s Thanksgiving dinner, your parents’ and sibling’s and aunts’ birthday parties? I feel lucky to have such a close friend, very fortunate.

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:: raises hand, as do most of the Dopers, I’d suspect ::

Sorry babe. Your special, magical friendship isn’t all that unique. Um, except that you say horrible things to your “friend” whenever you have a temper-tantrum.

Once more, in bold, to see if, maybe you’ll notice it then:

IT’S NORMAL TO BE DISAPPOINTED AND HURT. IT IS NOT NORMAL TO GO ALL PSYCHOTIC ON A “best friend of 15 years” OVER IT

Geddit?

Fenris