Why, with weddings, must there always be drama?

So, a few months back, a close friend of mine announced his engagement. They had been dating only a short while, but decided that it worked so well they wanted to get married. I was happy for him and he let me know that he wanted me to be one of his attendants, since most of his close friends are female. So, his attendants are turning out to be myself, a mutual close male friend, and a woman I barely know but whom he’s close friends with as well. The bride has, as I recall, three attendants as well.

I pretty much figured on some participation in the wedding, so I wasn’t totally shocked when he asked me to handle the bachelor’s party, along with our mutual male friend. He said it was because we were “the least socially conservative”. I said okay.

Well, it turns out to be that the bachelor party that we two are supposed to plan for him is in fact a combined bachelor/bachelorette party at their place for 25 people. We are supposed to purchase a full bar (‘something for everyone’, he says, not just a keg) and snacks, hire two strippers (one male, one female), hire his friends to do karaoke, arrange entertainment, and hire a babysitter (!) for this whole group. Most of this was revealed through email.

My first assumption was that they had some sort of budget in mind, but when we started asking questions, it was made pretty clear that we are supposed to pay for everything. This is from a man who has never bought me a gift in our entire 5+ year friendship (though he has received some from me).

What???

Also, none of the other attendants were asked to help financially or otherwise, because they either “can’t afford it” or won’t be there. When pressed, he gave us their emails and told us to approach them - people we’ve never met.

So, we’ve been trying to get him to come talk with us. I like his future bride very much, and we have a lot in common, but I barely know her and I know the groom well enough to know that our conversation about what is acceptable to demand your friends to do does not include a lavish gala with strippers and booze for 25 is going to require me to be extremely blunt. He does not understand hinting or being subtle. You have to hammer him over the head with stuff. It’s fine normally but doing that with another person present, who has been a part of this planning, is a recipe for disaster.

Cementing the problem is that he lives out of town. Now, he drives through our town every weekend to meet with his fiancee, but he’s “too busy” to stop. Today, I called and asked if he could stop by for just a few minutes, but he said he was driving back tomorrow. Okay, I said, could we meet with you mid-week? Sure, but he’ll have to check with his fiancee for when she’s available that day.

Er, no, I said, we’d like to meet with you privately. He gets all weird and confused, and blurts, “Well, I don’t know when I’d be able to do that.”

I’m starting getting a bit upset with him so I said, “Fine, I’ll have (mutual male friend) call you since my schedule is pretty clear.” I really tried to avoid showing being upset at all, but apparently that didn’t work. I try to call mutual male friend, so does he, for whatever reason. Then when I’m talking to our mutual friend, he starts calling me repeatedly. Oy.

Finally, after a flurry of phone calls between the three of us, it gets back to me that my mutual friend called him and he’s all pissed off that I’m upset with him for no reason. Great. My attempts to make this go as peaceably as possible failed. We’re still trying to figure out when we can meet with him, but he’s angry that he has to take time away from his fiancee. My mutual friend and I agree that if necessary we will drive to see him during the week, 90 minutes each way, just to get this worked out.

I keep rehearsing this in my head, but, I don’t know how there is a nice way to say what I want to say. I’m angry that he’s forced me into this position, but I really don’t want to do anything that will jeopardize the friendship unless absolutely necessary. Giving in to his demands is not going to happen, however.

What complicates matters is that I’m sure from his end he doesn’t know the problem. He’s a bit socially inept in some ways, and he’s never thrown a party, so I’m sure he doesn’t understand that I’d have to heavily raid my savings to meet all of the original demands. Even sans strippers, I think it’s completely excessive, especially since I have to fund my own outfit and shoes for this thing, take time off work for both this party and the rehearsal (which is during business hours!! because they’re both teachers and are off work).

What I think would be fair would be to take the two of them out, and have a good time. Her attendants are coming in from out of town or whatever so I’ll extend the responsibility for him to her as well, especially as a matter of goodwill, but the rest of their friends can pay for their own drinks. Alternately, I’d be happy to do like a keg and some food and arrange some gaming and whatnot, or, people can bring their own alcohol. I know this isn’t what they dreamed of, but yeesh.

Oh, one last thing - his fiancee alone makes five times as much as I do. He just got a new, higher-paying job as well. I don’t mean to seem cheap, but I threw a very modest party for about the same size – and I already had 100% of the wine and 90% of the liquor involved - and it still cost us almost $400 to throw. Doing what they’re asking, even without strippers, will probably be (based on my estimates) in the $1000 - $1200 range without the karaoke and hiring a sitter. That’s just for food, booze, supplies and whatnot. I’m trying to save for a house!

Before you say so… I know everyone just says “tell them to go screw”, but it’s not easy to do that to a long-time friend. While I emotionally just want to hand in my attendant badge and bow out entirely, it’s just not an option.

No good advice, just wanted to say thank you for reminding me why I eloped. Iif I’d ever had to go through a tenth of that drama for my own wedding, let alone anyone else’s, I’d be single today. Tha most I managed was to make two last-minute bridesmaid dresses and fly to Reno, and that was for a sister. I still managed to spend five times the cost of my own wedding on hers. Now I just don’t do weddings except as the most casual of guests.

Good luck - sounds like no matter what you do you’ll be screwed. Maybe it’s better to have them hate you for bowing out rather than have them hate you for not quite throwing the perfect bash they had in mind. At least you’d save some $$$.

Your friend is either clueless or an asshole. You need to work out which, and make clear to him that spending that much money on his party is out of the question. You should also call him and very firmly say that he HAS to meet with you face-to-face about this.

If there appears to be no middle ground where you can compromise, you have two options: do what he wants, or just bow out altogether.

The first option costs you over $1000, leaves you resentful, and strains the friendship.

The second option costs you nothing, leaves HIM resentful, and strains the friendship.

I think i know which one i’d choose.

Thanks, Ms. Cake. I laughed.

So I guess we are meeting halfway between his fiancee’s and us in a few hours. Joy. I hope he’ll listen to reason, but if he’s willing to take us seriously about the chat, I think it’s a good sign.

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This is from a man who has never bought me a gift in our entire 5+ year friendship (though he has received some from me).[/QOUTE]

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A 5-year friendship does not = “long time friend” in my book…at least not the type of long-time friendship that could excuse such excessive demands.

I also don’t think that anyone who asks you to be a part of his wedding can be defensive and reticent about meeting with you to plan for said wedding. That’s his responsibility, too.

Good luck. I hope this is just a case of, “Wow, I had no idea it would cost that much! Sure, feel free to tone down the plans some…”

Under “Wedding Etiquette: Who Pays for What?” I found this:

A. Are you an official “best man”?
B. Are the two others official “groomsmen”? Gender aside.

Because from your OP, it sounded to me like you’re just this loose conglomeration of “some people” that he happens to know, that he asked to stand up with him at his wedding, and oh-by-the-way organize his bachelor party for him. And where I come from, the groom doesn’t go out and find some random group of people and ask them to organize his bachelor party for him–his best man volunteers to organize it, because he, and everybody else, knows that that’s the best man’s job.

But if y’all are just “this group of people”, I think it’s tacky, and socially clueless, for the groom to expect y’all to throw him a party at all, let alone pay for the expensive one he evidently has in mind.

There is no best man. Myself and two others are ‘groomsmen’ (his attendants specifically).

Since mutual friend and I are, natch, mutual friends, and he’s also close with this third friend, he said he didn’t want to choose.

Really, I do think it’s our responsibility to do something. But our responsibility is to do something for him. If they’re asking to cover her too, fine. Not really part of the etiquette, but OK. It’s just that they want to plan everything but have us do the grunt work and put up the huge tab. Nuh-uh.

Well, I’m 28, and I’ve moved around a lot, so to me that is a very long term friendship. It’s actually more like 6-7 years, but who’s counting?

Even if we were friends for thirty years, I don’t think it’s ever fair to make these sorts of demands. Well, I guess, maybe if we all had incomes by which his party would be a relatively insignificant expense, but even then, I think we should have been asked to handle the party and not been given a laundry list.

Use his credit card to buy a couple of cases of beer and to rent a hermaphroditic stripper.

It is traditional for the bridal party to plan some sort of bachelor/ette party for the happy couple. For the bridal party to plan it; not for the happy couple themselves to plan it and then demand that it be done the way they planned.

Since they are friends of yours, I’m going to assume that they had been decent people before planning the wedding. That said, it sounds as if they have been pulled into the vortex of The Wedding Industry and redeposited on the other side as a Groomonster & Bridezilla. Ridiculously complex & expensive weddings are in vogue right now, and The Wedding Industry is encouraging the trend by endlessly advertising the concept of the ‘dream wedding’ which none should be married without. Your friends have been yanked into a strange alternative world where their friends are assumed to ‘owe’ them this ‘dream wedding.’

Screw that. The kindest thing you can do for them is to set them straight. Their demands are unreasonable and, if they keep it up, they’ll have no friends to entertain them on their first anniversary.

Have the meeting (with both of them if they prefer it – she needs this wakeup call as much as he does) and say, “Look. I can’t afford this expensive of a party for you two. And it isn’t appropriate for you to be planning it anyway. The wedding is yours to plan; parties given by the wedding party are planned by the wedding party. I know you want a combined bachelor/ bachelorette party, so I’ll get together with the rest of the wedding party and we’ll decide what we can do.”

Then you email the rest of the wedding party (his & hers, since it’s a combined party) and decide what you all want to do – including a budget, the menu, etc.

I’ve never understood why people feel they have the right to dictate how other people should spend their own money. When I was getting married my best man had a bunch of our male friends over to his place where we sent out for pizza and watched a few adult videos. Oh, and he hired a dancer who showed up in (IIRC) a harem outfit, stripped down to her panties and gave me a lap dance.

Sigh Muffin if it werent’ for the fact that I’m gay and you’re probably taken anyway I’d marry you sight unseen. :smiley:

Seriously, fluiddruid your friend and his fiance are way over the top to expect you and the others to do this. Y’all need to let them know how much you’re willin’ to spend and what type of party you all are willing to throw. They can deal with it or not. Damn! Talk about your Bridezilla/Groomonster couple!

This sounds like something straight out of Etiquette Hell. Some people are just socially clueless when it comes to weddings. My brother recently tried to guilt our mom into baking 10 cheesecakes for his upcoming wedding. Fortunately mom said no – she knows my brother would have treated her like a servant at the reception.

You definitely need to set some limits here. As others have already said, you should meet with your friend (and his fiancée, if necessary) and discuss exactly what you’re willing to do for the bachelor/bachelorette party. Set a budget and stick to it. If your friend and his bride-to-be don’t like it, tough. It’s not your job to finance their dream wedding.

You need to have the talk and try to get him to see reason and custom.

About 18-19 years ago, a friend of mine got married. A few of us split the cost of the bachelor party, but my big expense was the wedding itself:

  • Tuxedo rental = $ 75
  • bridesmaids dress for the wife = $225
  • flower girl dress for the Kid = $200
  • two nights at the hotel
    rehearsal & wedding = 200 ______ 900 more than his wedding cost him

WDM, huh? My mom’s a Valley High grad ('48), she grew up there with her 10 siblings, and 11 first cousins all living two blocks apart in old VJ - I think 11th St., near Locust. When I was a kid, my grandmother lived at 7th & Elm, in a big white house with a huge-ass tree in the yard.

Ok, nostalgic rant all done.

Remember that saying no to them does not mean that you are a bad friend or a bad “groomsmaid”. And telling them no is not the same as telling them to go screw.
And Jess is correct that the wedding party gets to plan these events. You can ask for ideas and a guest list, but in the end the budget is up to you (of course you must be considerate of the guests but being considerate does not require a full bar and free babysitting). If the bride and groom don’t like what you have planned then they can decline the party altogether.

Personally I think that if your friend is not willing to meet with him in person then it is fine to do this over the phone. It’s not like you are breaking up with him or telling him his cat died, you’re just nixing his fabu party plans.

I totally agree. If I were asked to be a maid of honour I would accept with the understanding that it’s traditional for the MoH to host some sort of party for the bride. But that means doing something in my budget - not being the piggy bank for the bride and groom to throw themselves a lavish party.

I’d bow out now before it gets more expensive with suit hire and whatever. Just tell him that you were so honoured to be asked that you accepted without thinking, but now you realise you’re not in a financial position to give him the experience that he and his wonderful bride deserve.

Get out while you can.

So it was okay for me to be a little :eek: :dubious: when my son told me that “my share” of the cost of his wedding would be $1,000? I took out a loan and gave him the money (with a smile), but I was a bit taken aback.

Especially since the wedding was held in his fiancee’s parents’ back yard, and there was no reception. I don’t remember any food being served at all, except for wedding cake and M&M’s in Mariners colors. His FIL is a gourmet cook. What’s up with that?

Oh well. I suspect his wife coerced him into asking. It’s the one and only time the kid ever asked me for money after he left home at 18. He was really proud of his self-sufficiency. Bless his heart.

Yep, tell your friend you’re sorry but you can’t afford to do what he asked.

I hope it went well, although I’m a little confused on the reason for the drama. He sounds like someone who prefers direct communication; and when he started to suggest the whole kit and caboodle, why not just write back, “Yikes! I can’t afford that, sorry! I’m happy to do a keg and provide munchies, but anything much beyond that will seriously empty my account. Lemme know whether you’d rather do something lower-key, or if you have some ideas on how we can swing this kind of party with me contributing somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 or so.”

He may genuinely be clueless as to the cost and as to your finances. Sure, it’s rude for him to impinge on you, but a bit of bluntness back could probably solve the problem toot sweet.

Daniel

If it had been me receiving that email, I probably would have been gauche by replying (to him alone) with a response that those plans exceeded my budget for 2008, but that I’d be willing to meet with him one on one to discuss a compromise.

I’m sure my email would end up in his fiancé’s hot lil hands (to be dissected word-by-word by all her GFs to ensure the cattiest of all possible responses) in less than 12 hours, so I’d be preparing for receipt of a friendship-ending ultimatum from one if not both of them.

I’m thinking that a pitcher of frozen strawberry margaritas and Jimmy Buffett go best with email ultimatums, but YMMV… :smiley:

Yeah. You can’t just assign tasks and expenses to people and expect them to jump to it. If you’re paying for the bachelor party, you get to decide what it involves and how much it will cost; if he wants to do that, he gets to pay.

Many bridal couples mistakenly believe that extorting money from their family and loved ones is a long-standing tradition. It may be getting up there in years, but it’s not what one would call traditional, and I’m glad you’re not putting up with it.