Fuck YOU, Daddy..Maybe you should have loved me more...

I think the word curlcoat was looking for was deluded, but you were close. :wink:

I’m a big believer in duty, but it’s not a one-way street. Parents have a duty to care about their children’s well-being, same as we have a duty to care for them. The relationships change over time, and some parents have trouble realizing that their adult off-spring deserve the same respect as any other adult.

And as an adult in any relationship with other adults, you tell the person that if they want you around, they need to modify their behavior. If they can’t or won’t, remove yourself or resign yourself. Make a choice and refuse to whine about it, agonize over it, etc. It’s not easy, but it’s not complicated, either. Experience has taught me that when you stopping putting up with shit, people stop giving you shit.

Sorry, OP. Sounds like you just bumped into some unfinished work. Ouch.

When I hit this spot in my life I benefitted tremendously from self-reparenting. So well, in fact that I was able to continue a loving relationship with parents that had been less than perfect . If you can’t afford therapy there is good reading material on the concept. It’s all about approaching your relationship with your parents as a detached adult. They’re dead now and I’m so glad I didn’t have to turn my back on them because I didn’t know how to deal with them. I couldn’t change them but I could change the way I allowed them to negatively affect me.

And please don’t overlook thelurkinghorror’s comment about senility if this is new behavior.

Obvious troll is *too *obvious. Learn to be slightly more subtle, grasshopper. You’ll tend to have better luck, and won’t have to troll emotionally unsettled people with assholes for parents. Bigger target that way, don’t you know.

Fuck em

To add to that, my dad is an emotional succubus, and it took me 25 years to finally tell him off. When he calls and starts with his verbally and emotionally abusive shtick, I tell him that I am not going to listen to it and if he wants to talk later without being a critical douche bag, then we will talk. I found after a few years of sticking to my guns about not putting up with his behavior, he IS more respectful of me and my husband. I still don’t think seeing him in person would be a very pleasant experience though. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh I see, I should learn more from you than anyone else. Got it. :wink:

I’ve never understood those people who write to Dear Abby or whoever, list a person’s horrible attributes (spouse, parent, whatever), and then say “But I love him!”

Why, exactly? The person has no lovable qualities.

I speak from experience. You don’t have to love someone just because you happen to share DNA with them.

I guess it is because we want to feel like better people than those who abuse us, so sticking fast to “love” makes us feel less shitty about ourselves. I also still love my dad despite his failings, and it makes me feel like a better person than him, because I am.

I think this is particularly good advice.

My father and I strongly disagree on politics and the disagreement is about 50 years old.

Occasionally he says hateful stuff that is so bad, I dare not repeat it. But we usually stay on safe topics like sports so we’re OK overall.

If you really love him, you’ll just have to back off. It’s hard, but he’s the only dad you’ll have.

I would never cut off a family member.

My wife’s best friend married a guy her parents disapproved of. They cut her off and never spoke to her again until they died twenty-five years later. Too bad. The guy she married is a great and they’ve been good together for 40+ years. The parents never saw their grandchildren.

I just can’t keep a grudge like that. (Well, except against P.C. Richard & Son, a God Awful appliance store on Long Island - but that’s a separate pitting.)

I have members of my family who are now old and have always been what I consider racist.

I consider it racist. Probably most everyone behaved and believed the way they did back in the days when their opinions fucking mattered.

The only damage they can cause at this point is that they can still vote. Fortunately, old age kicks them in the shins and their health eventually fails.

On the one hand, I care about my flesh and blood and I want only the best for them. At the same time, if they can’t get with the program and stop using the word Negro or betraying their racist beliefs then I don’t want to have anything more to do with them.

Eventually the grim scythe of Death will take care of the problem. I’ll mourn the loss of the person, but not the loss of the ignorant ideas they held.

The same? No. Parents? No. But I have a dying relative with racist attitudes that I prefer to treat with compassion FWIW. It is the Mexicans this and the Blacks that, interspersed with opinions and stories about other things that are perfectly normal. I would say this relative’s racist attitudes are actually tempered with some restraint and at least some thoughtfulness- not ‘full bore’ I guess you could say- and, well, they have about a month to live. So I will probably keep calling and just let the crap go by.

I’d say I have more distance on the situation than you. But I can at least relate. It is still shocking to me, but lots of old people are like this. And again, this one is dying and would like someone to talk to. There is more to hear than the racist rants, and soon there will not be another chance…

Oh yeah, completely agree. The frontal lobe is involved in inhibition and empathising, it sounds quite a bit like frontotemporal dementia (unless he’s always been like this). I’d get him to see a professional first, at least a primary care physician. Sorry you have to put up with him OP, feel your pain.

Ah, he’d be an incubus.

Ed: What hobby did your parents spend all their money on?

I’ve often talked about my family on this board so I won’t talk about them now, but I also recommend the book Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

My parents both love me and I can’t imagine going through life with parents who didn’t. So warm thoughts to you, Nobody’sMama.

This weird phenomenon we call love isn’t exactly a logic-based thing. :smiley:

I had a lot of older relatives who were racist and ultimately I accepted it as something I couldn’t change and something that was very much tied to their background. My parents both grew up in rural Alabama. Until my parents were adults, public schools for blacks were rarely funded for more than 5 months per year, there were no buses and often no textbooks, the teacher might or might not have been to college, the school rarely ran through 6th grade, the nearest black public high school was more than 40 miles away in Montgomery and transportation was not provided, no truant officer gave a damn whether the black kids were in school or not and everybody turned a blind eye if black parents didn’t send their kids at all, and it’s hard to remember that this wasn’t some semi-mythical time where Indians riding velociraptors chased buffalo around the pyramids amorphous past but a time so recent that some of the students “educated” at these schools are still in the workplace.
Consequently, most of the black people my parents knew when they were growing up really were ignorant, usually barely literate, and just not scintillating conversationalists or good for much beyond menial labor. Because they had grown up in poverty and had no skills to get them out of poverty they, like people of any race or time or place who have ever lived in poverty for an extended period fo time, they often had to take some ethical shortcuts from time to time (i.e. in the best of times you will have some people who will lie/cheat/steal, but in very trying times many people who would otherwise gladly be honest will lie/cheat/steal by necessity). These things, along with the animosity between the races, led to a “most blacks are ignorant, you can’t trust them, and they’re not really like us” attitude that was, to a large degree (and for purely manmade cultural reasons) valid. (When they met blacks who weren’t ignorant, or weren’t poor, and weren’t eager to play the social inferior role, that reinforced their prejudices rather than challenged them, but that’s a long other story.
Anyway, my father was a bit more pragmatic and intellectual in his opinions on race, pretty much coming to see it as the above, but my mother, who had many friendships with black people- who had black people she absolutely unequivocally loved (and that’s not blindness or wishful thinking, she did) had these prejudices until her death. Her older sister who is still alive still can’t believe we have a n*gra president and views her grandson who has a baby with a Hispanic woman he’s not married to as only slightly superior to the white men who had not-secret-enough relationships with black women in her childhood.
I loved my mother, I like my aunt, and they’re not going to change. There’s no reason to think they will, so I look past it. They also smoked when they were pregnant and let their kids play with fireworks unattended and kept open pots of bacon grease on the stove that they used for everything and did other things you would raise eyebrows today but were de rigeur when they were young adults.

BUT, my understanding left if they were baiting me, and they both did sometimes. That’s not cultural or a timepiece, it’s just being a bitch.

For that matter my relatives who are middle aged: they’re not all racist, but the ones who are have racial views that are far less- if you’ll pardon the word- nuanced than those of the older generations I knew. It’s nastier and rawer and barely even tries to masquerade as reason based. I got into a literal screaming match this past weekend with a close relative who used a slough of racial slurs about Obama and his family and then SWORE “his race has nothing to do with why I hate him!” and pronounced herself free of racism, “I’m just stating facts”.

In any case, while I understand how possible it is to love somebody whose views you find repellant, I think the person also needs to have redeeming qualities as well and it’s not sounding like the dad in the OP has many. I’m all for cutting the ties that bind to toxic relatives, and frankly most of the regrets I have in life have much to do with NOT having done so. (Of course if the dad on the OP is well fixed financially it complicates matters slightly, but even then only if you think there’s a reasonable chance you’ll inherit before you’re too old to enjoy it.)

For years I got along with my parents okay because everyone avoided talking religion and politics. For the last ten years that has gone out the window and neither can say anything to me without including something they know will generate an unresolvable disagreement if I chose to engage. The result has been that we talk more and more rarely and I will make no effort to see them (they live several states away). I don’t think it is just them getting older, it is a combination of reducing their outside contact with the world to Nascar, Fox News, RW talk radio, and those of my relatives who agree with them, with a feeling of entitlement to be heard unchallenged. I had good relations with my grandparents, only one of whom became deliberately provocative as she neared 90 years old.

I left home at 16 and have never been close to my parents but we could at least be civil and almost friendly as long as boundaries were respected. When they decided to stop being respectful of my well-known adult beliefs and disbelief I stopped engaging. Can’t bring myself to feel bad about it, although I feel slightly guilty about not feeling guilty.

I know from experience that the martyr role can be hard to let go. There’s a certain appeal to it, in that it makes you feel like a selfless, generous, patient person. I think people with low self esteem may be especially vulnerable to this.

The truth is, you are going to have to redefine yourself. You’ll have to learn to think differently about your parents. You don’t have to cut them off, necessarily, unless you want to, but you’ll need to set emotional limits. You’ll need to find a mental state where you can say, ‘‘I love my parents, but their happiness is not my responsibility.’’ Which is what it comes down to, you know. The feeling that you are in some way responsible, or that you owe them, is what keeps this miserable cycle going in the first place.

Really? She’s his only child. I don’t think that’s masochism.

Wow. I cannot even begin to thank all of the posters here for the time that you have all taken to read my post and provide such thoughtful and thought-provoking replies.
Thank you all so much. It was amazing how much better that I felt just typing the whole thing out and sharing my feelings with other folk. And then, to have my feelings
validated, to HEAR that I wasn’t alone or bad for having those feelings, even more
catharsis.

There was a tremendous amount of great advice in your posts and already, the past few days, I have felt much more strength in myself talking with him. All of your posts helped me to realize a lot about my relationship with him and my mom and why they did the things that they did. It is still a sad shame that so much importance was placed on the wrong things and I guess I mourn that more than anything. And the thing is, had I even realized some of these things and spoke up, they wouldn’t have changed.

Oh and GamerUnknown, the hobby that took so much of their time, attention and money resources was antique collecting. I grew up at every manner of flea market, antique show, shop, auction, yard sale etc. I was never allowed to participate in any youth activities that I wanted like sports or scouting or band because they didn’t have time to ferry me around despite having two brand new cars and my mother not technically working. Also, they wouldn’t pay for anything as that would take away from their antique funds so even though I desperately wanted to join band, for instance, $50 for a flute was out of the question.

It’s all water under the bridge now but still infuriating.

But, again, thank you all and I wanted to write back in to let you know that I really read each reply, some made me cry, some stiffened my backbone and all were helpful to me. That you all would take the time–some of it quite substantial–to help make me feel better and provide support is phenomenal to me. Bless you all and I hope to pay it forward when I can.