Game of Thrones 3.04 "And Now His Watch is Ended" 4/21/13 No Book Spoilers

Again, this is the thread for people who have not read the books or wish to pretend that they do not exist. Please keep discussion of the books out of the thread.

Yeah, sorry. I’m trying to figure out how to delete my post.

Here are the 3x04 GoT scenes for reference.

It would also be helpful if people avoided quoting them.

If you were a Lannister soldier, and you had conflicting orders from Tywin and Joffrey, which orders would you follow? I don’t think there is a single person in the 7 Kingdoms who doesn’t know that Tywin is actually calling the shots. It helps that Joffrey seems more interested in crossbows and fashion than in politics.

I’ll quibble with this. There’s no one of *importance *that doesn’t know Tywin is actually calling the shots, but when it comes down to the dirty, filthy masses, it’s Joffrey who is their king. They all hate him, and they may all want to riot and stick his head on a pike - but they want Joffrey’s up there, not Tywin’s.

That’s what I thought. Emancipation means nothing to the Unsullied; they can’t even bring themselves to use the first person when they speak.

Loras would be really unhappy with the match, but he’d just end up taking Sansa to Highgarden and then ignoring her while she get’s to live like a noblewoman’s life. It’d sure be fun to watch Margaery try and explain to her what to expect on the wedding night.

It’s not just the castration. They’re so thoughly brainwashed they have individualality at all. They have no wants or desires other than to obey their masters. It’s not just that they’re physically incapable of raping, they’re also mentally incapable of even wanting to rape and pillage.

He was just a knight before he joined Renly’s Rainbow Guard; he was considered quite the eligable bachelor because of his looks & his pedigree.

It was normal for Ancient Egyptian royalty in our world, and that’s were Martin got his inspiration.

Yeah, I think this was the idea. The slaver (and I think given the many different types of slaves, he is one businessman of many, not a singular power in Astapor) couldn’t think outside the box. He’s like a British soldier standing in line with his fellows in a smart red uniform, waiting for the colonists to come out and have a battle. From an outside point of view, it’s patently stupid, but if it’s The Way Things Are in your world, it wouldn’t occur to you to question it.

I think Varys’s puzzle from season 2 needs an additional person. “There’s a king, a rich man, a priest, and a cold-ass motherfucker who’s smart, strong, and utterly confident in his authority.”

I could watch a whole hour of Tywin writing letters while eviscerating his children. I could watch a whole hour of Varys and Olenna Tyrell bandying words. I could watch a whole hour of Joffrey getting murderboners while describing Targaryen history to Margaery. And those weren’t even the cool parts of the episode.

Oh man, I hope Jaime finally stumbles in King’s Landing, bleeding from his stump, and Tywin’s reaction is “Hang on, I need to finish this trade negotiation with some tiny castle near Dorn. By the way, I heard you were defeated by a woman.”

I just realized that he might have smelled good because they all were hungry…

Actually, I assume they cauterized it with fire. More effective than a tourniquet, and WAY more painful.

Also smells more delicious for any hungry Nights Watch around.

<spit-chokes>

Well-put, and now I have a mess to clean up. :stuck_out_tongue:

“Murderboners.” Now that’s a word!

Those closer to Daenerys suspected nothing about her plan, how would the slave master do? We knew because we have been seen the other side of the coin, the slave master knew nothing about her compassion, or her dislike of slavers. If Astapor had been doing business for centuries without a hitch, they thought it was just business as usual.

And hell yes, a Dragon was worth more than 8 K unsullied, a grown dragon would toast them with just one breath.

Overall, I really enjoyed it; this is geeky stuff. But you can’t have it both ways: if the dragon is that powerful, then slaver-schmo should’ve approached the exchange far less haughtily - and been more suspicious of Dany’s motives if she was willing to give it up in a poor deal.

Meh - I am quibbling. There are legit ways to talk it through, as illustrated by some posts in this thread. It just jarred me a bit at the time…

Option A:
“We should train these slaves from birth to only obey their master - whoever that happens to be at the time. We’ll sell them and be rich!”

Option B:
“We should train these slaves from birth to only obey their master and us. We’ll sell them, be rich, and not be afraid of them ever being used against us.”

To me, Option B is obviously the correct way to go, but I suppose that’s why I never made it big in the slave trade.

Yeah, I’m a huge huge fan of both book and show, and I agree that I would have been happier with some bit of dialog or something thrown in to indicate that there was normally some safeguard in place to prevent anyone with a lot of gold from coming in, buying all the unsullied, and then instantly having them sack Astapor… it’s borderline believable that nasty slaver’s hubris led him to believe that this particular transaction could be transacted in an unusual way, one which left it vulnerable to this very obvious scheme; but totally unbelievable that a massively gaping flaw in the business model existed for that long without some enemy of Astapor taking advantage of it.

Had anyone before bought ALL slaves at once. Maybe he was blinded by greed, the same way that some people are still swindled by Nigerian ministers.