Game of Thrones 6.10 "The Winds of Winter" 6/26/16 [Show discussion]

[Snarky_Kong]

You’d imagine she’d want to marry into a great house.

Martell: Extinct
Tyrell: Extinct
Baratheon: Extinct
Tully/Frey: Out of power/might all get murdered, no way in hell
Lannister: Might be on the downfall, plus I don’t see her marrying the guy that killed her dad.
Greyjoy: Made an alliance with the group without a male heir. Could marry Yara, but they’re a weak house.
Arryn: Intact army. Pliant ruler. Good possibility.
Stark: Assuming Jon is confirmed as a new ruler, this is interesting. They were calling him the king in the North, so it’s probably secessionist. I’m not sure Dany would be down with that. Their military and economic might are severely weakened too.

[Omar_Little]

@DigitalC

They ARE Targaryens though.

It’s the Lannisters that are incestuous.

[wintertime]

@DigitalC

They ARE Targaryens though.

And they can’t have children, so it would be first and foremost a political union. If they decided to let Jon produce an heir with someone else, Dany would have at least taken every step to ensure that the Targaryen line survives.

[oft_wears_hats]

@wintertime

At the latest from Myrcella’s murder, she was convinced that the prophecy was coming true, so Tommen’s death was an inevitability in her mind. And I think her reaction reflected that mindset when she was looking at his corpse.

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Exactly. She knew Tommen wasn’t long for the world, even if she didn’t know the exact details. Cersei had already mourned for Tommen before she decided to nuke the Sept.

@Omar_Little

It’s the Lannisters that are incestuous.

Two Lannisters are incestuous. The Targaryens made a family tradition out of it.

[Dewey_Finn]

@DigitalC

@Omar_Little

Marrying your nephew? Probably not.

They ARE Targaryens though.

Jon is only half Targaryen, though. They seemed to prefer to keep it entirely within the family.

[Sam_Lowry]

@wintertime

I’m only disappointed that we have not seen Littlefinger react toward the revelation about the enemy in the North.

Considering all his political maneuverings and manipulations, I could see Littlefinger not knowing what to do with an enemy who can’t be negotiated with. He might still think it’s just the North being superstitious. He could use those superstitions, but I can imagine him not believing in the walkers until he sees them himself.

[StarvingButStrong]

@SenorBeef

Anyway…

I’m not a mod, so I can’t do anything specific, but please be mindful again of the book stuff. It’s probably already too late but there’s stuff in the thread already that purely comes from the book. People were saying “oh the show is past the books now, who cares” at the start of this season, but there was a whole lot of stuff that happened this season that came right out of the books, and there’s still more to come. Even the backstory stuff can come to form major plot points.

Also (call me a hopeless optimist) we could very well have ANOTHER book before the start of next season, yes? Which could be chock full of stuff to be revealed in later episodes.

[Snarky_Kong]

Jon could show Littlefinger his stab wounds. There are at least two other people there that saw his dead body. One of which has a reputation for being level headed.

[MrDibble]

@Sam_Lowry

I don’t know where she got the crown

She did used to be queen.

[Garula]

I confess that while I read the thread beforehand, I overlooked Shakester’s comment before sharing my wild speculation. It is only fair that when said speculation comes to pass Shakester shall receive all internet points that I would have claimed had I followed proper procedure.

Now that I think about it, is it clear who actually made all that wildfire? The stuff is supposed to be pretty hard to make, isn’t it? Did Qyburn make it all or are there other alchemists involved in the process?

[Snarky_Kong]

@StarvingButStrong

Also (call me a hopeless optimist) we could very well have ANOTHER book before the start of next season, yes? Which could be chock full of stuff to be revealed in later episodes.

GRRM was apparently trying to get it out before this season. My guess is that since he missed the deadline he said fuck it and slacked off. Plus football season is coming up. I bet he doesn’t have it out until the series is done.

[SenorBeef]

The wildfire was still there from the time of the Mad King. He put hidden caches all around the city, and it would seem no one has been looking for them all these years, so they’re still around.

[Qadgop_the_Mercotan]

@Omar_Little

Marrying your nephew? Probably not.

Yeah, Jon’s just not closely enough related to be good husband material.

[Snarky_Kong]

@Garula

I confess that while I read the thread beforehand, I overlooked Shakester’s comment before sharing my wild speculation. It is only fair that when said speculation comes to pass Shakester shall receive all internet points that I would have claimed had I followed proper procedure.

Now that I think about it, is it clear who actually made all that wildfire? The stuff is supposed to be pretty hard to make, isn’t it? Did Qyburn make it all or are there other alchemists involved in the process?

Cersei asked Qyburn if the rumors where true. I assumed the rumors were that there was extra wildfire left over from Aerys.

[AK84]

@Snarky_Kong

I don’t think you need to fanwank Ned not telling Cat. It’s infinitely easier to keep a secret if you’re the only person that knows. And it’s not like if the secret get out it’s just going to be some hurt feelings. Robert will try to murder a member of his family. It might very well mean war. Better have your nephew bear some scorn rather than be killed.

He can control what he says, but he can’t control what Catelyn says. To him it’s worth it to reduce that risk.

Cat is going to tell who exactly? Why? And where? At the High Born ladies coffee morning at Kings Landing?

[Qadgop_the_Mercotan]

@Snarky_Kong

You’d imagine she’d want to marry into a great house.

Greyjoy: Made an alliance with the group without a male heir. Could marry Yara, but they’re a weak house.

Scissor me timbers!

[MrDibble]

@Garula

Now that I think about it, is it clear who actually made all that wildfire? The stuff is supposed to be pretty hard to make, isn’t it? Did Qyburn make it all or are there other alchemists involved in the process?

Based on what Tyrion said before, I think it’s clear it’s left over from when the Mad King stockpiled it to blow up the city.

[JcWoman]

@oft_wears_hats

Exactly. She knew Tommen wasn’t long for the world, even if she didn’t know the exact details. Cersei had already mourned for Tommen before she decided to nuke the Sept.

I kind of disagree. She did send her MountainZombie dude to block Tommen from going to the Sept, so apparently she thought to try to protect him from being blown up with the rest of the crowd. And if that’s true, I don’t think she would have known he’d kill himself.

I think Tommen was the most tragic character in this episode. He was never trained to rule (being the youngest kid), knew he was weak because of that but couldn’t learn fast enough. I think that as he watched the Sept explode, he realized that there were machinations going on in his court that he wasn’t privy to - something a king should never experience. Then realizing that he was nothing more than a figurehead, he felt he had nothing really to live for. At least this is how I read the situation, and it explains for me the matter of fact, unhesitating way he stepped out the window.

[Dewey_Finn]

Also, unlike his brother, Tommen isn’t insanely cruel. I’m sure he was shocked at what his mother did, and couldn’t live with it.

[EllisDee]

@AK84

What exactly was Zombie!Gregor going to do with the Septa? Tear her eyes out? Mean he is rotting, so its not like he has much errr tensile strength left to rape her anyway.

I figured he went in to cut her eyes out with his sword, “kill” her as much as he was killed, then Cersei would have her brought back as another zombie guard. But now that I think about it more, the pseudo-zombification probably wouldn’t make her loyal to Cersei; the Mountain was always loyal to her.

@Garula

Don’t quite see why Pycelle had to be eliminated. He’s always been happy to support whoever is in power. I suppose he knew enough to be a threat to Qyburn?

My take on that was straightforward: Qyburn is a maester (or close enough), and he’s Cersei’s guy. Now for the first time since he became Cersei’s guy, Cersei is actually queen. So of course she makes him her grand maester.

@Sam_Lowry

It’s not definite, it probably won’t be 5 episode seasons, but they might be 6 or 7 episodes.

A more recent article suggests 13 episodes total: 7 next year, then 6 more the following year to finish it off.