Um, have you been watching the same show as the rest of us? At this point I half expect Little Finger to end up as the nights King sitting on the iron throne at the end of the show.
Dany, Jorah, and the Dothraki that saw Dany survive fire either time should be much more ready to believe, true.
However, dragons were alive in living memory. Maybe something like 100 years ago. People alive now were told stories about dragons by people that saw them. If you’re Cersei or a Glover or a Tarly, there’s no reason to think something that was a normal part of the world until very recently indicates crazy magic north of the wall.
treis, I don’t agree with you there. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jon and Dany won, but I can also see them winning a fight against the White Walkers, being decimated, and the Lannisters killing the stragglers. Cersei/Jaime sit on the throne.
I’d much prefer that ending than Mary Sue winning.
Three times, to be exact. Once when he left to grab Yara’s fleet, again to bring Cersei back her gift, and a third time to sail to Casterly Rock. Varys, Tyrion, scouts, lookouts, ravens, dragons, everyone and everything is failing for her right now, it seems.
It just feels like the show has changed. I would love a twist like that, but I dont have the feeling like anything can happen anymore.
I think it’s possible that Littlefinger knows and could spill the beans if it’s advantageous to his position.
There’s the conversation between Littlefinger and Sansa in the Winterfell catacombs in front of Lyanna’s tomb. Littlefinger says something like “Thousands of people had to die because Rhaegar chose your aunt.” Sansa says, “Yes, he chose her. Then he kidnapped and raped her.” Littlefinger just looks at Sansa for a long moment, then gives a knowing little smile. I think that’s probably a good indication that he knows the full story of Jon’s heritage. There also is more drama, seemingly, in Littlefinger revealing a secret that huge, rather than Bran-as-Three-Eyed-Raven just mater-of-factly blurting it out like he’s Sheldon Cooper.
Also, who knows if Jon or Sansa or anyone else in Westeros would believe him with all his history of machinations, so maybe if Jon and Daenerys join forces, he’d spill it to the Queen of Titles. Pull a Christopher Moltisanti and create a little dysentery among the ranks.
Everyone could find out about Jon another way: he could display some ability, like not being able to be burned, or having the dragons take a shine to him.
Littlefinger is definitely up to something, but I don’t think he’s getting away with it this time. My guess is that Arya just might remove him. I’m trying to remember how much she knows about him. Or, she may see through him right away - she is actually trained to spot schemers and she learned how to hustle on the mean streets of Braavos. If she figures out what he’s up to, and it’s no good, well say hello to Needle, my little friend.
Littlefinger*. We’ve been over this. Why do you insist on intentionally incorrectly spelling almost every character’s name again?
This season has a “in conclusion” vibe where they seem to just be moving it along so they can get to some big battles. The whole thing seems rushed and a bit tired.
Actually rather than derail this anymore over spelling of character names, I pitted Critical1, and we can talk about that there.
I also say that Danys is worse off and the Lannisters aren’t isolated and split.
The logic and reality has gone from the writers. Armies can zip about the map in minutes, yet don’t spot 1000 ships passing Dragonstone, the choke point of the naval fleet. Any sense has gone.
If it looks like Danys has had a setback, she’s had a setback. There’s nothing deep in there. Mostly redherrings. Like Maisie Williams suddenly playing Arya right handed and completely out of character, pre faceless men stabbing. Remember the weeks trying to put some sort of sense into that nonsense?
Blackwater Bay is big. Really big. As in, more of small sea than a bay. The maps don’t have any measurements so far as I’m aware, but judging by the size of the cities and the distances between them, I’d estimate somewhere between 100 to 200 km of open water between Dragonstone and the closest bit of the mainland.
Which is plenty of room to sail a fleet through unseen if the other side doesn’t have radar or a modern airforce or any kind of modern communication. Yes, they have dragons, but the dragons aren’t patrolling the oceans.
Here’s that map again. There’s plenty of room to get past Dragonstone without magic or bad writing.
…also, there’s no reason to assume the Euron did sail his whole fleet past Dragonstone at any point since Dany’s arrival. All Euron needed was one fast ship for himself, a crew, and a handful of prisoners. Easily done.
Maybe Jorah will come back to Dany and clean house on military matters. “Varys, you didn’t establish any spies or recon on the mainland!? Nobody used any scouts or lookouts at all!? How did we ever conquer three giant city states?”
Oh ah, I was just re-watching the scene when Arya was Tywin’s hand and Littlefinger came in - was trying to see if something important was said …
and there may be. Tywin dismisses Arya (after Littlefinger gave her some looks, I think he did recognize her, but kept it to himself. For future possibilities or maybe he wasn’t sure if Tywin knew full well who she was for his own ends)
… And on her way out Littlefinger was saying he was going to set up a meeting with Catelyn. Haven’t scouted ahead yet - was there a meeting where LF met with Catelyn to say the Freys would agree to the marriage, the set up for the red wedding? Was LF working with Bolton the same way he worked with Olenna to bring down Joffery?
Can’t remember what LF met Catelyn for that time - but that could be a way to expose him without involving Bran.
He says he “met” with Catelyn, not that he is going to.
D’oh, so he does.
Hearing what I want to hear.
This map shows Westeros on top of Europe:
According to that you’re off by a factor of 10. To put it in perspective, the passage between Dragonstone and the coast looks to be about the same as the narrowest part of the English channel.
It’s all speculation since as far as I know, there’s no official maps with distances. Everyone just calculates based of a few rough figures (like the length of the wall) and goes from there.
I suppose if, in the show, we’re told that it took X number of days for an army to go from A to B, we might be able to estimate the distance, based on real-world numbers of how many miles an army can march per hour or per day. But I don’t think the show has been that specific.
You know, I was just looking at that interactive map, and using it to track Sam’s movements – and his trip from Castle Black to Oldtown makes no sense at all.
He sailed from White Harbor to Oldtown. Then he apparently traveled inland a fair distance to visit his family at Horn Hill, then turned around to retrace his steps to Oldtown again. Where we got the dramatic scene of him and Gilly standing on the hills, looking out over the majesty that is Oldtown and the Citadel – which they’d apparently already seen, because they docked there in the first place.