I don’t think it’s six direwolves for Ned’s children, but rather six direwolves for the Stark children. If Jon was Lyanna’s son, he would still be a Stark.
I always found it ironic that for all the evil he’s done, Jaime is reviled for the one good act he ever committed. I thought Robert was a massive hypocrite for throwing that in Jaime’s face. Not that I really ever liked Robert anyway. While he may not be a mad king, he’s certainly a terrible one.
They never tell you exactly how she died, but Ned remembers her dying “in her bed of blood,” which to me is a very strong implication of childbed. She’s also clutching the crown of roses Rhaegar gave her, and he set three of the Kingsguard to watch her while the war was going on. I think it’s all pretty strong circumstantial evidence that she was bearing his child.
Did you catch the probable fate of Sandor, as well?
Didn’t some holy man claim to find his body and bury him? And then his dog helmet was stolen by Rorge the noseless. Now it is worn by Lem.
If there’s another theory about Sandor, I missed it…and didn’t form one of my own.
Do you remember when Brienne was looking for Sansa, and they went to the Quiet Isle, where that holy man claimed that “the Hound is dead”? Remember that there was a novice, digging graves, bigger than even Brienne? Remember that novices cover their faces and heads, so nobody would have seen his face?
It is not a strong implication, it is a direct description used several times in the book. Dany asks Mirri maz dur if she knows the secrets of the bed of blood when she is close to giving birth, and it is mentioned several other times throughout the books. The Lyanna death scene is the first time the phrase is used so you wouldn’t make the connection until much much later.
He also walked with a limp and they had Sandor’s horse, who was incredibly mean and hard to control by anyone but him.
An excellent point, Sohvan, especially considering Freyrat’s post. I may have put too much stock in Catelyn’s thoughts; after all, she’s been wrong before. I agree with you about Robert’s kingship, but I think Jaime did commit more than one good act. He saved Brienne from the Bear Pit, tried to prevent her from being raped, and warned her about the Arya scam. I think that he is beginning to be one of the more responsible lords in A Clash of Crows.
Barkis is Willin’: I had assumed Gregor was dead, but I could be wrong.
Jamie also wanted to stop the Mad King from raping his wife and murdering Rickon and Brandon Stark, but he was constantly rebuffed by the other “honourable” members of the kinguard.
That they had Sandor’s horse, Stranger, would make sense since they (aledgedly) found his body. I guess the gravedigger could be the Hound. Taking the silence until he’s healed enough to kill his brother, Frankengregor.
Well no because Sandor’s horse would have likely killed several of them instead of being taken.
I agree that Jaime has done more good since then, and I was actually surprised to find myself warming up to him quite a bit in later books. I was thinking more of his attitude before Robert’s death and losing his hand, when he was still in King’s Landing with Cersei.
It seems like a lot of people call him the Kingslayer with fear or disgust. Sometimes it feels like he’s genuinely annoyed that people consider it of all things such a terrible act. If Jaime had a fault regarding the whole kingslaying business, it was not doing it sooner.
I think Brienne is the only person Jaime ever told about Aerys wanting to burn the city. Everyone assumed, starting with Ned, that he was evil for killing the king. He took a “Fuck you, if you think I’m evil, then I’ll be evil” attitude about it afterwards.
Jaime is the main reason why people say that the characters are not what they first seem, IMO.
Nice! I hadn’t caught those, but I am re-reading it so I’ll definitely be on the lookout for that! Makes it all the more certain she was at least in childbed when she died - even if Jon isn’t her son, but I do feel strongly evidence points that way.
Although, it should have occurred eventually. Isn’t the obscene amount of Greek Fire (or whatever) that Tyrion uses to defend the city partly from huge caches of the stuff that Aerys didn’t quite get around to using to nuke the city?
-Joe
Well yeah, but they could have been just that, hidden caches. Going from that to figuring out that Aerys was about to take out the whole city would have been a stretch without actual confirmation, which could only come from Jamie at this point.
True, but if Jamie had been a little more mature (but then he was what, like 17 at the time?) and had told people about them, rather than “Fine, I’m going to take my evil ball and go back to me evil home and be evil! (Lannis-ter Evil Incorporated!)” he might have gotten off better.
Then again, oaths are a big thing, which is why the rest of the Kingsguard were happy to sit there and watch their mad king torture and kill people for no good reason. But they sat and watched it for “honor”.
-Joe
I am re-reading in hopes that we will not be disappointed by yet another delay for A Dance with Dragons.
In A storm of Swords, page 323, Arya is told by Edric Dayne that Jon Snow’s mother was a wet nurse named Wylla.
I think Jamie was just completely disillusioned with the whole “Knight” thing at that point. Like you said, the rest of Kingsguard, who at that point in time were legendary and considered some of the greatest and most honorable Knights in the history of the seven kingdoms just sat and watched the Mad King torture and kill people, not to mention rape the Queen constantly (there is actually a scene in the books with Jamie trying to stop him but the other kingsguard not letting him “We are sworn to protect her too” “but not from him”). The guy didn’t care about honor anymore, because he saw what it really meant.
Yes.