Garfield brings it upon himself. . .

Stupidly, I walked into a chatroom [one which is not related to, affiliated with, or sponsored or endorsed by this messageboard or the Chicago Reader in any way].

I revealed to this chatroom my question about whether to tell my girlfriend that I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I heard a resounding chorus of “Yeah!” and “Go for it!”

I then reveal the fact that I am 17 and she is soon to be 15. Discussion ensues. During the course of the discussion, I concede the point that I had worded the original question incorrectly, and it should actually be along the lines of: I FEEL like I want to spend the rest of my life with her. More specifically, I feel like I could wake up every day for the rest of my life, know that she’s mine, and be happy.

Some people in this particular chatroom [one which is not related to, affiliated with, or sponsored or endorsed by this messageboard or the Chicago Reader in any way] stated that my relationship was not appropriate and wrong. I disagree.

Yes, I realized I stupidly walked into this. I realize that. But. . .

Don’t tell someone their relationship is WRONG unless you have a GOOD reason. Don’t tell someone to “get a girlfriend your own age” like I’m a pedophile trying to lure little girls off the playground or something? And do NOT tell someone how they FEEL is wrong.

I am in love.

Maybe you’re jealous.

How 'bout: “Don’t ask people for their opinion and then get mad when you don’t like it.”

The “some people” were pretty much me. I don’t have anything to add except that I stand by my statements and have apparently rained on another parade.

But one lesson that 17-year-olds need to learn early is that adults are not going to take them too seriously when they start waxing rhapsodic about love.

Regardless, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, Garf, but I will say that I am not jealous. I am in love, and I am old enough to know what that means.

I hope there are no long-term hard feelings.

Yeah, that’s it, we’re jealous.

You asked for peoples’ opinion on whether you should tell your fourteen-year-old girlfriend that you “want to spend the rest of your life with her.” You asked. Starting a Pit thread and getting pissy because the answers were not what you wanted is moronic.

(FYI, I think it’s sweet that you love your girlfriend so much, and bully for you if you want to spend the rest of your life with her. But do I think it’s smart to start planning for your entire life together at this point? No way.)

Hey, congrats on the love thing. I’ve heard it’s pretty good. Yeah, there are issues with the age thing, so I’d wait around before committing to anything, but to call it wrong seems, well, dumb. But if you ask for opinions, you kinda have to take it when people offer their opinions. Even if their opinions are stupid.

Garf, you shouldnt ask for opinions if you dont like what people have to say. You asked, people gave. You got what you asked for. It’s great you feel the way you do for her, but dont expect people to think the relationship is good, or healthy when you state she’s 14 and you’re 17, AND you originally state you want to know if it’s a good idea to tell your GF “you want to spend the rest of your life with her”.

And i agree with Kyla, starting a pit thread about this whole situation is moronic.

Unless you live in Hawaii, don’t have sex with her without checking local laws regarding statutory rape.

Pencil me in for a “me too” here:

Contrary Opinions: don’t ask if you don’t want 'em.

Love: A good thing – nay, a most excellent thing – and we’re all happy for you.

Marriage/rest of life: I’d recommend at least a three-year engagement, if that’s what you’re thinking. You owe her some time to grow up a little more (no matter how mature she may be) and gain some more perspective on life. If it’s true love, you both can wait. If it’s not, you’ll be glad you did. And don’t let your hormones tell you different (and believe you me, they will).

Sex: What Badtz Maru said. There’s nothing like getting arrested for underage sex for making that later wedding reception an awkward one.

I feel like there should be a “Hi Opal!” in there somewhere, but otherwise that sums it up.

Jealous? About being in love with a hot teenage babe???

Well, maybe a little. :smiley:

Regardless, any discussion about your future life together should be put on hold till, say… she is legally eligable for driver’s licence.

You’ll understand later in life…
…but your ages ARE a good reason to tell you that you are wrong.

:slight_smile:

Question to Garfield:

As these pearls of wisdom (:rolleyes: ) fall before you, are you likely to

a) continue to read this thread; and
b) seriously consider what’s been said?

Or is this going to be another bunch of well-intended comments which get ignored because they aren’t what you might want to hear?

If the latter is true, we might as well lock this puppy off right now…

Um, I think that Garfield was complaining mostly about this:

Seems to me that Garfield realized more or less as soon as the words were out of his mouth (keyboard?) that

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So the question is not

but rather ones who say

I would have a problem with being told that there was some kind of moral problem with my relationship too.

I didn’t look at who the starter was when I opened this thread. I thought this was going to be a rant against cats or Jim Davis. whooo boy…

So if this happened in a chat room that is in no way, shape, form, substance, idea, or referentially related either physically or telekinetically to the Chicago Reader, why, doth thou bring the discussion onto a board that is? So you can “bring it upon” yourself yet again?

Are you just looking to start an argument? Do you enjoy the feeling of “us against the world, babe!” Don’t trust anyone over 18, they’re The Man and they’ll bring you down.

Christ, Garfield, you don’t even know what you want. You admitted it yourself in this thread. Can you blame others that think you might be leaping before you look?

I’m not going to tell you how you feel. I’m not going to say how I feel. I’m not even going to call you a pedophile. But I will say this: when you describe her age as “soon to be 15,” it sounds a lot like you’re trying to justify it to yourself as well as to us. Why is that?

Been there, many times actually. It is horribly frustrating. People who give advice are one thing, but people who tell you you’re being stupid, or acting/feeling inappropriately are way out of line. With all the advice I’ve received throughout my young life, I do end up realizing that a lot of it has been very solid. But I need the time to find this out for myself, and the people who told me I was being stupid were not the ones who helped this process.

Enjoy being in love :slight_smile: and do listen to the kind advice - it comes from a good place. But scrap the rest.

Garfield, much of what Matt_mcl had to say I agree with. I want to add a couple of thoughts to the mix.

First, I implore you not to take this next paragraph as “talking down to a teen;” it’s one poster with intentions of friendship who happens to be significantly older, and therefore has the advantage of perceptions from a wider range of ages, commenting to someone younger and therefore with fewer age-ranges under his belt. Cool with that?

Maturation is a process. The few times I’ve noticed serious posts from you, I’ve taken them as reasonable adult views, so I suspect you’re very well along in that process. You aren’t all the way there yet. Really, none of us is; I sometimes joke that “I don’t know yet what I want to do when I grow up” and even at age 52 that’s only partly a joke. You keep on learning more about how to live and love as you get older. And even if you’re reasonably certain about how you feel – enough so to feel you can honor a commitment for a lifetime – she, at 14 years and some months, is demonstrably unlikely to be able to do so yet. No matter how mature she seems, she has a lot of growing up to do yet.

And her parents are, quite reasonably, likely to be concerned about her getting in too deep too soon – because many teens, particularly girls but guys too, do this, out of certitude that they’ve found the love of a lifetime, when what they have actually found is a compatible opposite-sex person who desires them as much as they desire him/her. Mentally putting yourself in their shoes and keeping in mind that you do love her and so do they, I suspect you can see how they are very concerned that some guy – you, so far as they know – could use her youth and innocence to hurt her badly. And just as you would not want another guy to do so, you need to accept that they can feel you might. And, of course, disprove it to them, by word and deed. And by considering and understanding their qualms and responding honestly.

Finally, something every teen knows intellectually and fails to feel as a gut reaction – there are a lot of kinds of love: self-sacrificing Christlike love, the love of parents for children, close-friendship love, the sort of love that has a couple toasting marshmallows over the warmly glowing embers of what was their passionate affair 40 years ago and smiling at each other in remembrance and affection… The list is as endless as people are different.

Where you are at is a stage technically called limerence. This is the falling-in-love, can’t-live-without-her state celebrated in song and story. (Everybody expects Poly to say next that this ain’t love. Wrong.) This is stage one of a lifelong love. You need to grow into a couple who cherishes each other, faults and all, feels each other’s pain, celebrates each other’s joy, and so on. And then get to the point where you’re comfortable with each other. If, right now, you observed her hanging a kiss on a guy, you’d be stressed. You will, God willing, get to the point where you’re so sure of her love that you know she’s showing warm, close friendship to him and would never forsake you for him.

Some romances end with stage one. It’s heartbreaking for the participants, and for onlookers who care deeply about either of them, but it happens. Others move on into the other stages, and end up toasting those marshmallows.

Here’s hoping you two get to the marshmallow stage. But think about what I’ve had to say is needed to get there. And be honest with yourself.

[sub]BTW, Ender, I saw that “almost-15” as, not Garfield’s attempt to justify something to himself, but his awareness that 17 vs. 14 is something most people are going to question, and consequent clarification that it’s not a full three-year gap between them.[/sub]

I’d just like to point out that I never said stupid, just young. There is not a 1-to-1 correlation between the two, more like .96.

Oh no no no! I wasn’t speaking about anyone in this thread! I was just talking about the people in Garfield’s chat (and most specifically the people in my life) who’ve been kind enough to say as much.

And thanks, Polycarp, for yet another wonderful post.

Pucette, I was the primary person in that chat room by whom Garfield feels victimized. Nobody in chat called anybody stupid (though I was called “negative” by chique but that isn’t new).

Also, since the word was used in this thread I will mention it: nobody said or implied pedophilia. I am sure that Garfield has no urges towards pre-adolescents; I am sure that he feels the two of them have bonded on a relatively level emotional/developmental playing field. I am also sure that he is wrong about that and told him so when he asked for opinions.

He requested an answer without debate. I gave him one, he then proceded to debate, then left in a huff and started this thread. No names were called.

Wow Polycarp, I am truly impressed.

Garf, do whatever you want. Granted, the fact that both of you are young is an indication that you have no idea what love is, there’s a (uhh, small) chance you do. And if this isn’t love, that’s okay. People wait their whole lives trying to find the one person they can’t live without. Remember that and don’t rush it. That’s pretty much the best thing I can add to this.

And a big amen to the people who said this thread is “moronic”. Garf, you did ask for opinions. Sometimes (more often than not, actually) when you ask for opinions, some of them aren’t going to agree with your line of thinking and that’s okay. There’s no reason to get mad about it.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clear-up!

You are right. I just remember feeling very defensive and frustrated when anyone criticized my young budding relationship :slight_smile:

Moving right along…