God damn it, let the kids have their oral sex

It must be that time of year again- the salmon swim upstream, the bears get fat and hunker down in the woods, and alarmist media starts running around in circles screaming that, “your teenager might be having unprotected group sex in the back of an ally on Colfax Street in Denver with seven interveinous drug users named Jamie! Right now!

Never mind that teenagers always have and always will have sex, and apparently at pretty consistent rates even among more idealzed times like the 1950’s, the society at large feels that it’s necessary to collectively gasp, cover their mouthes, and say, “Holy crap, did you know that somewhere, right now, two sixteen year olds could be shagging?”

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think it’s a good idea for teenagers to be having sex. A lot of studies have shown clear correlation between early intercourse and a number of mental health issues such as depression, low self-esteem, or other behavioral problems. I won’t play out the whole numbers debate right now, but it seems as if a rather shocking and unfortunate portion of the female population will end up pregnant before they turn 20 (25% at least), and of course there are STDs to be concerned about as well.

A few days ago while listening to NPR, a rundown of a recent CDC report on teenage sexual trends announced that there were further drops of sexual intercourse among teenagers compared prior years, but these intercourse abstainers seem to have transitioned to oral sex instead. The overall portion of the teenage population having oral sex or intercourse was pretty constant. My immediate reaction? “Well, that’s good to hear!” In terms of the welfare of our teenagers, we should be happy to hear that people are choosing oral sex over full sexual intercourse. Oral sex won’t lead to pregnancy, is much less likely to transfer STI’s, and is much, much less likely to lead to new infections of the most serious STI’s such as Hep. or HIV.

From: http://www.avert.org/orlsx.htm

But no, some fun little pack of Helen Lovejoys calling themselves Child Trends have taken it upon themselves to mine the recent data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics report on teenage reports on sexual behavior. They decry that the kids practicing oral sex must not be aware of its risks. Some idiot continues to yammer on and on about, “you know when you brush your teeth and you get a little bit of blood in your mouth? Now most people might interpret that as a sign that perhaps they need to brush a little softer, or perhaps that they have a little bit of infection in their gum…” until finally getting to the point that it is indeed possible to contract STI’s via oral sex.

Well, no kidding Sherlock, it’s possible, but it’s also much less likely than through oral-vaginal or oral-anal contact.

I just don’t understand why people can’t be happy to hear that teenagers have picked up on messages about sexual safety and altered their behavior in response to it. It’s like teenagers and cars. Sure, we’d all be happy to hear that they’ve just plain stopped driving, but I doubt it’ll happen anytime soon. I’d rather hear that people are wearing seatbelts instead.

But no, this isn’t driving a car. We can’t possibly have a rational response to any news about our teens getting nekkid. We can’t do our best to encourage risk reductions whereever possible to eliminate the actual bad things that happen because of teenage sexuality. Instead, we have to have creepy middle aged men with a rather inappropriate interest in teenage sexuality continue to tell people that all sex is going to lead to someone getting knocked up, AIDS, and kicked out of the house.

So I say, god damn it, let the kids have their oral sex. If they’re forgoing intercourse in favor of oral sex, we should be happy and stop predicting the downfall of society at the hands of the upcoming filfthy, filfthy little teenage hussies.

Damn, I need to change my name to Jaime.

Oh come on. If you let the kids have oral sex, it will inevitably lead to kissing, and from there to dancing.

You can’t possibly be suggesting that we set them on that road to depravity.

Well. I’m not sure our downfall is in their* hands*. :smiley:

I prefer to think that the bulk of oral naughtiness is going on in a back alley off Pearl Street. Colfax is not exactly the venue for teens hooking up. Not teens that work for free at any rate.

viral load…heh heh

Oral, anal, vaginal…it doesan’t matter. The second kids find out that masturbation feels good (and some sot of sex with somebody else feels better) they’re going they’re going to do one of the two. Instead of focusing on their absurd and unrealistic ideals, people need to teach their kids the truth; sex feels good and they’ll want to “do it.” Teach the kids abstinence, but also teach them about how to be safe if they decide to do something else. Ignorance equals unsafe behaviour.
In my dream world, my daughters are going to be virgins until the day they’re married. In the real world, we’re going to teach them to take care about who they give their hearts and their bodies to, and how to make it the most enjoyable and least risk to them. My wife had premarital sex in the nineties, I had it in the eighties and nineties, my oldest sister was a “premature” baby during the sixties (at 8 lbs. plus.)
My secondary concern is my girls having sex, my main concern is them being safe. The consevatives may think we’re bad parents, but we’ll be honest enough with our kids to make sure we’re not hypocrites OR grandparents.

MY $.02, DESK

I read somewhere else on this board that the “oral sex” that you speak of that has become so trendy these days is specifically blowjobs given by girls to guys with no reciprocation on the part of the guys.

I’m all for advancing sex as a natural part of life and all, but that just seems fucked up.

AveDementia, your assertion sounds more like it’s blown out of proportion.

But no one’s mentioned the best thing about that whole god-damned NPR story. The name of the researcher cited was Jennifer Manlove . Ha! At which point I lost the ability to concentrate.
-Lil

Actually, that was one of the more interesting research findings from the CDC’s data. Their assumption going in was that females would report having given more oral sex, but in reality, the rates were almost dead even.

There, we’re becoming less selfish lovers as well.

I think that deserves a hearty cheers.

Um… I know this is the Pit and all, but cite?
Beause by that logic, European teens should show more “mental helath issues” than their U.S. cousins, what with the AOC being up to six years lower.

I also got to thinking… “Clear correlation” between early intercourse and low self-esteem? Does this mean that the researchers assume that teens who have intercourse at an early age will suffer from low self-esteem because of it? Or rather that teens who suffer from low self-esteem will have intercourse at an early age because of it, to feel cool and wanted and with the in crowd? Which one stems from which?

Yeah, maybe a negative correlation. I was highly (lowly?) depressed in high school with a very low self esteem. I place the blame for this squarely on the fact that I wasn’t gettin’ any.

I am reasonably certain that frequent blowjobs would have alleviated my suffering.

A whole generation of guys who, hypothetically at least, know where the clitoris is? And they say human progress is an illusion! I’d say that deserves cheers…69 of them might be an appropriate number.

Amen to that!

A lower age of consent doesn’t necessarily means that teens have sex at a lower age. If I’m not mistaken, in France, people have sex for the first time on average at 17 (and this age didn’t change for quite a long time). The age of consent is 15.
The age of consent is a purely legal issue. It’s not because adults can legally have sex with you at 15 that you’re going to have sex with someone (adult or not) at 15.

I think the problem lies in the duel society personalities. You have the poeple who are more relaxed about it and try to keep people informed of the risks and proper protection. Then there’s also the side that guilts teenagers into believing what they’re doing is “wrong” and “disgusting” and they’ll have a couple kids before the age of 20 and they’ll be selling crack just to support these kids.

Teenagers have anough emotional ups and downs and are very deeply affected by what people say about them, they may not show it, but a teenage girl can fall into a self-hatred phase just from someone making a comment on her hair. Giving mixed signals only futher confuses and puts teens in a dangerous mindset.

We need to get real about what is going on here. Teenagers will always have sex (intercourse, oral, etc.), that will never change. We should be educating them, not telling them they’re a “freak” for having sexual feelings. Making kids feel bad about even masturbating can lead to feelings of worthlessness, like they’re strange or won’t be accepted by their peers. These “abstinence” programs only perpetuates the crisis, they’re completely unrealistic.

They need to know these feelings are normal and have a healthy attitude about sexuality and are armed with factual information that could save their lives. We have to stop pretending we’re this eutopian society where teens wait until marriage. Human biology doesn’t work like that. We need to stop kidding ourselves.

Bah. I never had any oral sex in my teens, so why should they get lucky?

‘Christian right’ parents: Sex is bad. And bad things will happen to you if you have sex.
Kids: OK, we’ll have blowjobs instead.
‘Christian right’ parents: Blowjobs are icky. And bad.

I agree. Because a lower AOC might actually mean that the first time teens have sex is slightly higher. Also, the rate of teen pregnancies is significantly lower, the lower the AOC is.
My take on this: if society - and by extension its lawmakers - realize that teens will have sex, then that society can prepare for this. Education and an open dialogue will prevent unwanted pregnancies and STD. Sticking the collective head in the sand and trying to ignore this fact will lead to problems.
And by having the AOC set at 18, when teens come of age, both schools and parents can ignore this and pretend it doesn’t exist.

However, nowhere have I seen a study that scientifically can claim that kids who make their sexual debut at 16 have a higher rate of mental health issues, than those who have it at 18.