Good Alive: The Evil Dead forbidden thread

[Chronos]

If Normal and I hadn’t found Cookies, I’d have had precisely zero effect on the outcome of this game.

You can still have impact on the game: Several of your numbers are still in the unknown pile.

Quoth USCDiver, in the game thread:

Until we know for sure (and I don’t know how we’d know this) that there is only one scum remaining, it doesn’t say anything about a player if you block him/her and there is still a death. Now if you blocked a player and there was no death (assuming that we’ve eliminated all the third party killers) then that would be highly suspicious.

This is not true. The information is more valuable, of course, when we get down to one left, but it still has value. If you block a person and the kill doesn’t go through, that’s not proof that they’re not Scum, but it is circumstantial evidence in favor of that proposition. It gets even better if Normal lives through this Night and the next one: Let’s say that brewha blocks, say, Wanderers, and there’s still a death toNight. Then, toMorrow Night, Normal asks “Who killed so-and-so?”, and gets a number not on Stanislaus’ list. Then we know that there is at least one Scum who is not Wanderers nor any of the people on Stanislaus’ list. That’d leave us a pool of, what, eight people or so? In which there is known to be at least one (and possibly more) Scum.

Incidentally, if there is a kill toNight, who the Scum choose can also give us some information (yeah, WiFoM, but I think they’re desperate enough to have to play it straight). If one or more of them is on Stanislaus’ list, then they pretty much have to kill Normal. But if none of them are on that list, then the priority of killing Normal drops, and they could instead go after one of the other powers (probably Natlaw, brewha, or Wanderers, if they’re Town). So if Normal dies toNight, then I’ll become extra-suspicious of those folks on Stanislaus’ list (which includes, I note, Mrs. McGinty).

Just to add another instance to the discussion. A long while back there was a minigame run on Idle’s site that had everyone posting in LOL Cat pictures only.

How did people vote? Did they have to find or make their own LOLcats with people’s names on them?

[Rysto]

@John_DiFool

I have a question about this game (Mafia in general not Evil Dead in particular): is there any reason why dialogue cannot be in character, as in, “I’m going to go into the attic and see what is making those scratching noises-and yeah <cachuck> I’m bringing my Boomstick.” Is there a way to run the game where such role-playing would be de riguer?

I played in one game on another site where we were required to role play, and it sucked. The roleplaying got in the way of actually playing the game, and I very nearly got lynched because of the role I chose to play(I roleplayed a “Werewolf hunter”, trying to make the point that I had experience with the game, and everybody else was like “he’s crazy, werewolves don’t exist, let’s lynch him” :smack: )

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@Chronos

How did people vote? Did they have to find or make their own LOLcats with people’s names on them?

If memory serves, votes were an exception to the rule. That was a damn fun game.

[Tom_Scud]

Has anyone ever moderated a game where the on-board communication conventions and so on actually made sense? The players are all trapped in quarantine tubes and can only communicate through their terminals, but there are evil hackers who make the computer kill off one player per night, or something like that.

[NAF1138]

No, but I like that premise.

The Gastard games on Idle’s board functioned under the premise that they players had been moved into a combat arena where they were forced to play mafia according to the whims of the evil alien moderators, but there was a lot of other screwed up stuff in those games so I don’t know if they really count.

[Tom_Scud]

Definitely feeling sorry for Scum in this game.

Worst. Demonic. Horde. Evah.

[Chronos]

Natlaw is probably correct to keep mum about who he protected. But if it ever gets to the point where he didn’t protect anyone (presumably, from having used up his talismans), and there’s still no kill, then he should announce that fact, so as to implicate whomever brewha blocked.

Of course, it’s possible that Scum might deliberately choose to no-kill in order to frame the blockee, but that’s not a sustainable tactic. At best (for Scum), it’d lead to a mislynch of a non-confirmed Townie, and that’s not enough to justify the price.

[sachertorte]

@Chronos

Natlaw is probably correct to keep mum about who he protected.

I disagree. What information is Natlaw keeping from the scum?
If TexCat is the killer, then scum would know it and would know that the roleblock was the reason for the death not happening.

If TexCat was not the killer, then scum also would know that and they would know who the real target was. In other words, scum would already know who Natlaw protected.

I’m not seeing the advantage of Natlaw keeping his target secret.
I don’t necessarily see an advantage for him revealing either, but the information imbalance favors scum.

[Chronos]

Two reasons for him to keep mum: One, whom he chooses to protect now is an indication of whom he’s likely to protect in the future, which Scum would want to know (so they can kill someone else instead). Two, how many people he chooses to protect would give insight into how many talismans he has left, which is also something the Scum would want to know. He can still make himself useful even after he runs out of talismans, so long as the Scum don’t know that, because his presence can scare the Scum away from picking the most obvious target.

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[Chronos]

Quoth brewha:

Here’s the bottom line. What good is a pro town role blocker?

I think people have been seriously underestimating the potential of Town roleblockers lately. A roleblocker, used correctly, is more powerful than a doctor, and probably second only to a detective, among the standard roles. A blocker has approximately the same chance of stopping a kill as does a doctor: In either case, if they choose the right person in the game, they stop the kill, and if they choose the wrong person, then the kill goes through. The difference is that, if a roleblocker stops a kill, it provides extremely valuable information. This is especially true if there’s no doctor, but even in a case like this, where the doctor and roleblocker are both still alive, it’s pretty good circumstantial evidence against the person the blocker blocked.

Now, there is a chance of the blocker accidentally blocking a Town power role, but that’s not as bad as folks usually think of it. What can happen? Well, he could block a Vigilante, but if we’re before the mass-claim stage of the game, the Vig is as likely to hurt Town as to help, anyway, so that’s no big loss. Or he could block a Doctor, but the Doctor probably wasn’t successful, anyway. It’s only a problem at all if he blocks the Detective, but in that case, the Detective will know he was blocked, and can thus confirm the roleblocker’s eventual claim (which is probably all the Detective would do anyway, confirm a Townie). There’s still the chance that the Detective would have caught Scum with that investigation, but then, the roleblocker himself has as much chance of catching Scum as he does of stopping the Detective.

Plus, of course, if the roleblocker is really worried about hitting Town power roles anyway, there’s usually someone left in the game who’s claimed vanilla. Target that person, and you definitely won’t do any harm, but might do some good, if they’re lying about being vanilla and are actually Scum. It’s baffling to me that Total Lost is trying to build a case against brewha for “wasting” his power by blocking vanillas, when that’s a perfectly valid pro-Town use of his power.

[Rysto]

Does Total Lost truly not understand the difference between “unconfirmed” and “vanilla claimants”? She’s looking extremely scummy to me.

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[NAF1138]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Chronos]

Quoth Mrs. McGinty:

2. On night one, instead of using the Zoom Lens to see what NAF did with the book, he used a Stakeout to see who acted on NAF, who was an obvious target for townie investigators. This strikes me as making much more sense for a scum investigator than for a townie one.

Wrong on both counts. He was not an obvious target for Townie investigators, since he had the book, and would (presumably) have shown up as Scum. Likewise, it would also not have made sense to track him, for the same reason, since anything he did would have looked like an attempted kill. It did, however, make sense to watch him, since what he was an obvious target for was anti-Town actions relating to the Book, and Wanderers did in fact catch an anti-Town actor that way.

Mind you, I don’t think that Wanderers is innocent, but this is a terrible argument against him.

[Rysto]

Never mind, TL has the “search for the book” power that story basically confirmed existed. She’s just not thinking clearly at all. Taking a paint-by-numbers approach to mafia is never going to be successful.

[Tom_Scud]

Not entirely fair to say that Nanook evaporated after the mass claim; he’s posting at more or less the same rate as he has all game.

[Chronos]

And now Total Lost herself is claiming to be mod-confirmed. I’m not seeing it: Where did Storyteller say that her power existed, or otherwise confirm her?

[Rysto]

Uh…

besides the forbidden thread, you mean?

Edit: Oh wait, I just read the thread. She was responding to lilflower, who claims to have investigated Total as not-Scum.

[Rysto]

I think that lilflower pretty much has to be lynched now, doesn’t she? How did she forget the result of her own investigation?

I’m going to guess that lilflower is actually the scum investigator(nphase confirmed that lilflower did do an investigation of Total) and that Wanderers has been posting her results as his own. Although I’m not at all convinced that his results on Cookies weren’t made up.