In the GQ post I went a bit over the top, challenged the moderator and got temporally banned which I will accept as being deserved. Mea culpa.
Still, I was approaching the matter from a practical, more than a legal sense. That being, you may have all the legal right in the world to bring your handgun into NYC but on a practical level the chances of it turning into a situation that could make your life miserable and expensive are far beyond any protection that the gun would ever provide. Play the odds. Even if you are in the right and some “authority” misinterprets the law it can get very difficult, time consuming and expensive to make your case. Is that how you want to spend you holiday in NYC when there are so many great things to be experienced? If you pull that weapon and, God forbid, fire it, then you can be looking at a long stay in NYC and a mountain of legal bills even if you were justified. The civil suits will pile up like flies on a dung heap. The place is just to congested and too unpredictable to be firing a Glock even if you have the utmost of justification.
The chances are far in your favor that the Glock is not needed. Leave it at home. Nobody in NYC wants another Coogin’s Bluff. That movie was always stupid and was never cool.
The media made a big deal of the person at the convenience store in Gunnison, Utah who pulled a gun from under the counter and shot the guys that were trying to rob the store. The shooting looked to be totally justified. Yet, the person that did the shooting left town because they wanted to get away from what happened. It wasn’t a satisfying event. There was no satisfaction in killing people and didn’t want the notoriety. Now, this was a ranch town in Utah, not NYC. Gunplay isn’t play. It’s serious business and it’s life and death. Too often, death is for the innocent.
Do your homework on these boards and over on Opencarry.org and you will see I am a huge opponent of this. It’s absurd. Which is why I support congressional bill H.R. 822 to correct this inequality.
So, I prevent death or great bodily harm from coming to myself or my wife, in a justified shooting, but I’d be better off dead because of legal problems.
You’re an idiot.
I’m not busting your balls over this. As I said, it’s probably a touch of envy on my part. It’s as if you matter-of-factly told me you had Steelers season tickets. Lots of people have them, but I don’t, and you’re a lucky son-of-a-bitch. I bet if you posted this on THR word for word you’d get a lot of “you lucky so-and-so!” posts, too.
The major difference is none of them were a bunch of anti-gun loons who don’t know anything at all about guns except they don’t want you or I to have one.
Now we understand. As suspected, you were just trolling in the first place.
You aren’t coming to NYC with your “Glock” to prevent anything. You just want to flash your gun. Some tourist, coming to NYC and saving themselves by pulling a gun and shooting a bad guy just doesn’t happen. What fictional world do you live in? Turn off the TV for a moment.
I’m no idiot. Far from it. You, on the other hand have issues.
Why have you put Glock in quotes? Is the type of gun now a matter of dispute?
Also, why do you act as if PK’s statement that he carries a gun for potential self defence is either trolling, or proof of a desire to flash his gun? Why else would he carry a gun? I presume he’s not an active hit man, so it’s a pretty safe bet that he’s going to say it’s for self defence. What answer would you have viewed as acceptable?
Has it ever occurred to you that once you’ve spent 30 years carrying a gun everywhere you go (and learning on the job that it’s something you really don’t want to leave in a drawer somewhere), you might just want to keep doing that after retirement?
Speaking as a guy who has never owned a gun, has no intention to, and strongly supports his country’s very restrictive gun laws, these two threads are among the most ridiculous I’ve ever seen on the dope. A cop wants to wear a gun. When the fuck did that become controversial outside of the UK?
A cop outside of his jurisdiction is just a civilian with an out-of-place attitude.
Face it bro, if you wanted to be a Federal Agent maybe you should have tried succeeding at their entrance exam, not going for Smallville’s Finest.
P.S: besides, who knows, pkbites may accidentally meet the Clintons or the Obamas while in NY (or someone looking like them). I’m sure the Glock might be of help in such occasions.
With, it appears, the legal right to carry a gun if they so choose:
So, surely that makes him a civilian who intends to carry a handgun, as allowed by federal law in his circumstances.
I’ll admit to being a little curious about the insinuation that he would use a gun to attack the President, First Lady, or people who resemble them. Is there a particular reason behind that claim, or is it just random nonsense?
OK, but it was still good, factual and accurate advice from someone who has a whole lot of inside knowledge of NYC and NYC law enforcement. Over 26 years. ***
Yet seems perplexed that a cop of almost 30 years is very used to carrying his weapon off duty.
R.P.'s post insinuates they are in law enforcement, but it doesn’t exactly say that, does it? And R.P. calls me the troll for wanting to exercise a privilege the law has given me, and do so with the least amount of hassle.
They want trolling? I’m going to open a thread about all the places I’ve open carried (legally). **R.P. **will probably have a stroke over that. Bwahahaha!:p:D
I’m pretty sure no one here actually wants trolling from you. But since you brought it up, with all the time you’ve found to post to this thread, how is it you can’t spare a minute to support your assertions in the Elections thread you started? You know, the one where you claimed that one current and one former President ‘hate America’? There are quite a few people who would be more than happy to discuss that opinion with you, you know. Bit of shame you can’t seem to find the time.
However, if you are ever in a real pinch in NYC I can put you in touch with a lawyer that has defended some rogue cops that have been arrested. You don’t want to know some of the shit that goes on with these guys. And it’s not just NYC.
As I’ve said, I’ve no love of guns, and wouldn’t want to carry one around. Still, I can see why you might want to. What confuses the shit out of me is that cops with guns is somehow controversial in a North American context. Huh?
Reading your previous posts, I’m sure we disagree on just about all political issues. Still, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that just because you want to carry a firearm, it doesn’t mean that you aim to intimidate random passers by to demonstrate your awesome power over life and death, or to live out a Walter Mitty moment posing over the corpses of five dead terrorists. I’m willing to accept that a former cop might just feel more comfortable carrying his gun. Call me stupid, and I’m sure that many here will do just that. Blah.
Ok, as a gun owner (please don’t vilify me, I’m not a Hestonite NRA worshiper, just a guy who likes venison and target shooting,) I really question pk’s fitness for firearm ownership. I firearm is a tool, like a shovel, a pick axe, or a chainsaw. It is a tool though, which requires a great deal of personal responsibility and IMHO personal integrity. If I am transporting my firearm anywhere outside of my home state, you can be damned sure that I have checked all the laws and ordinances pertaining to firearms wherever I happen to be taking my gun(s). I ship my ammunition separately to avoid any problems which may inconvenience myself or others (like getting a flight stopped because a bomb dog smelled my ammo in baggage.) I keep a trigger lock on my firearms at all times, unless I plan to use it. Oh yeah, refer back to that first thing…the knowing all applicable laws and ordinances. This means that I don’t need to go waving my metapenis around in a forum. all fill-in-the-state.gov websites can provide you with all the information you need. Its people like pk who give gun owners a bad name and image. Too bad there are so many pks who own firearms. Oh yeah, even though I do have a valid TX CCL, i have never carried my gun concealed ever. my guns only leave the house to go to the range or the deer lease, and when they do they are in a locked hard case.
