I met a girl and we ended up naked in bed fooling around. I said let me get a condom, and she said she didn’t want to have sex. So we stopped. We ended up sleeping with each other the next night and I asked her why we hadn’t slept with each other the night before and the exact quote was “I didn’t want you to think I was a slut”.
I’ve already gone on record that the guy was a douche and I don’t want to wade into the “women sometimes play games” morass, but I don’t understand why everybody’s pouncing on Living Well Is Best Revenge. It seems like now you’ve turned the thread into a “men are pigs, let’s bitch about it!” clique and are just jumping at chances to be catty.
I guess now would be the time to tell the ladies to “calm down”.
You still aren’t helping your case.
From this I gather that just because she isn’t interested in sex with you right now, right this minute, that it’s best just to write off the relationship as done. That dates must include sex or they’re a waste of time. That spending 15 minutes chatting with a woman in her warm dry house -without touching her and with no expectation of anything more- is harder to bear than standing in a cold lobby or under a porch roof alone.
You’re a right catch, you are.
:rolleyes:
It’s because of this:
Several posters tried to reason with LWIBR regarding his statements.
He had multiple opportunities to clarify or retract his claims about what women think and why they do things.
Instead, he chose to continue his routine of “Huh? What do you mean? Obviously I know what women are thinking because I’ve seen what they do. I certainly know more about it than all of you women.”
All I did was put it all together in one place and point it out.
At which point he stomped off in his cute little huff.
THEN I got catty.
If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
You know, if all of you women would just stop arguing with the menfolk when they tell you what you’re thinking and why you’re wrong, they wouldn’t have to take their balls and go home.
You know they’re right, why do you have to be so bitchy about it?
Just sayin’.
Sorry, I had a bad day and took it out on you. I’m just irritated by this attitude that women are these mysterious creatures that can never be solved. I know women who play games exist, but I’m not like that and neither are the vast majority of women I know. And the fact that this conversation has turned from ‘‘listen to what this asshole did’’ to ‘‘hey let’s talk about all the fucked up shit women do’’ is pretty sad. But it always goes that way, so I have no business being surprised.
Were going in circles here. A big reason that guy was able to get away with those murders is due to the nature of prostitution. You know, illegal and dangerous, like I’ve been saying all along. That’s not just for the men.
Also, I don’t think your framing my point of view fairly. I’m not in favor of prostitution to reward potential rapists. I simply am for personal autonomy of ones body and consenting adults being free to make their own choices. A by product of that would likely result in less sexually frustrated men. IMO. YMMV.
“Energy and persistence conquer all things.” - Ben Franklin.
Persistence is a wonderful quality. people with goals and refuse to give up on them are the most successful. However, we have to question the worth of ones goal and this is where things can get complicated in the dating world.
IMO, people love to be desired. They want attention, praise and adoration as much as anything else. However, they want it on their terms. That’s completely acceptable to me, especially in the context of this discussion.
I think it boils down to empowering women. People suggest that we should be teaching men more about appropriate behavior. Well, no ones going to be more effective with that message than women. People say terms like “slut” and “whore” are offensive and hurt the reputation and self-esteem of those women. Well, it’s up to women to become stronger and get the message out that it’s unacceptable to speak to them this way. Men should be their to back you up, but the onus is on you.
As evidenced in this very thread, where literally every woman has said one thing and not even a single man has disagreed.
Wait.
This thread is really making me want a “like” button on this board…
Huh?
When a minority’s rights are not being respected, that means their voice is not being heard. A woman may speak up about being mistreated, but she’s not going to reach the people who already don’t respect her, because they don’t respect her. Male allies are absolutely critical for any real change to take place. That’s pretty much the case with any sweeping social change we have ever created - the majority must be on board, and honestly? They’ll listen to you, not us.
You’re saying that women have to be the arbiters of the message of “what is appropriate behavior” while a bunch of guys try and tell us with a straight face that when a woman says “no” what she means is “talk me into it”. Tard.
No, you’re going in circles here.
Then let them jack off, see? Nothing more personal and autonomous than taking care of one’s sexual urges rather than expecting a date to get your rocks off or demanding that our overburdened government to provide a regulated, legal outlet for one’s sexual urges. Fix it yourself. For free. Autonomouslee. (Ima write a song about this)
I didn’t ask why he got away with it for so long. The Green River Killer murdered prostitutes because he didn’t want to pay for sex. He wanted it for free, much like most men. Legalizing prostitution won’t make sex free, will it? No, no it won’t.
Women are roughly half the population. Yes, in some sense they are a minority but that doesn’t diminish their power. There have been plenty of minorities much smaller than women that have brought about huge change. Even in the opposition of rich, white men.
Honestly, the truth is what matters. You have that on your side. People will listen. I am.
God, this makes me glad I’m married and monogamous. Now the only questions before sex are if we both need to brush our teeth first, and if I haveta take my socks off and do it with cold feet.
MOL, I think we just need to find you a husband and all your problems will be over.
(well, it might create a new set of problems, but at least you can get regular sex with less stress)
Yes, you do.
I’m not a tard, either.
I thought you didn’t have a problem with legalized prostitution?
“Yes, you do,” doesn’t even make sense as a reply to what she said. Like, at all. I read over that several times trying to discern what you meant, but I’m not entirely sure what you’re suggesting she has an obligation to.
I thought you cared about flour beetles?!