Aldebaran stop throwing punches blindly. FinnAgain agrees with you on the double standard. As do many posters…as do I. However you need to focus your thoughts more and stop swinging at everything that moves.
However this may not be the Mods fault, but the fault of the ‘community’ that informs about you, but allows other USA friendly wishing to get a pass.
I don’t know how to fix that, because of the inherient nature of relying upon community policing. It fails, if the community decides it doesn’t like a particular poster and looks for every lapse in jugdement he makes and rats him out.
If the Mods aren’t informed of poster X wishing death upon the Middle East, then there isn’t much they can do about it…unless you wish to spent your time, reporting every post.
Ultimately you have play by rules and fight your battles within the scope you’re allowed…
Nice play on emotional themes, but not all the collateral damage you specify is little girls with their eyes gouged out by the Coalition (blind to the fact countless Iraqis kidnapped by criminal gangs and insurgent groups). You know what pisses people off, is that you show support for a band of people who offer the Iraqi people absolutely no alterior system of democracy, only one which would be in comparison of the Taliban and the Al Queda nut jobs currently on the rampage, certain insurgent/terrorist groups have no desire to see Iraq liberated, only to kill, kill, and kill some more.
You know why Coalition troops are heroes? Because they want to actually bring a difference to the Iraqi people, where as the terrorists just want to drag them back down to the level in which Saddam and company breeded, or lower.
Yep. Thats true, the sympathy I ever had for them is long gone, because they offer no alternatives to what the US/Coalition are bringing, only more death, terror and destruction.
Yes, why is this a strange concept to your mind?
Insurgents live in Fallujah+Attack places around Iraq and use as a base of ops=Coalition invasion
Face it, you’re an insurgent apologist, I’m all for understanding the enemies grievances, but this person takes it to another level. Everything within the Islamic world is obviously the Wests and Americas blame, there is no middle ground, no halfway point. He won’t change his opinion regardless of what anyone says here, sounds kinda familiar…ponders
Nonsense. Whenever I report posts like I describe here above, calling for my death, for even the annihilation of allMuslims etc… There comes no reaction at all from moderator’s side.
Of course. That is why we rely on the impartiality of those moderating the forums.
Nonsense. They can even read it in thread titles often enough.
If you can give me one warning to a member who posted something that clearly is a direct wish to see me and all who is dear to me dead, to have destroyed all what is dear to me and even my whole region and even all Muslims, you have a bonus point. If you can find the same = a warning not to talk about killing Iraqis, you have 1000 bonus points all at once.
The fact is that the rules are not the same for me as they obviously are for the others.
That is what this thread is about.
That is what should be adopted - as I proposed - in the “Terms of agreement” to make it perfectly clear to me and to every other Arab-Muslim-Middle Eastern who ever would have the intention to become a paying member (or even a guest) of this message board.
She is a woman. Women in general feel they need to educate men, shaping them into their wished = “reform” them to the ideal they dream of that it exists. Whit hors, night, all of that.
I am Arab. In her eyes Arab=Oppressor of Women. Her urge to “reform” me must be desperate to the point (as is more then clear for the observer) of running completely out of control.
FWIW, I read Al’s mod-smacked post as an expression of ideation rather than active intent, and it was clear to me that he meant to convey nothing more than frustration and anger. Hence, I found Gaudere’s warning to be nothing less than bizarre.
Other’s appear to agree with this assessement. The majority of those complaining about the post cited in the OP seem to disagree merely with Al’s politics, rather than the dubious notion that he really was advocating violence. I can’t claim to be a fan of all of Al’s views, and have, at times, felt more than a little peeved that, on a couple of occasions, he took some of my innocent questions as expressions of hate. He struck me as paranoid. I must say, though, that in the case of the warning, and some of the spew this thread has generated, if he were paranoid, I must grudgingly concede it is not difficult to understand how he might come to be.
The warning was just plain weird. Some of the accusasions levelled at him in this thread are complete bullshit. I’d be fuming mad at some of you people as well. To the appropriate parties: You defend American interests in a manner that makes me want to hang my head and spit in disgust. IMO, you’re worse than anything you accuse Al of being.
This thread received a lot more attention and posts then I ever thought it would.
It also received a lot more support for my position then I though it would.
So except from the expected members who came in to lash out to Savage Aldebaran in their usual way, I would like to thank all the others who took the effort to look at this issue from my side and voicing understnding and support.
My take on several issues that are discussed on these forums can be a quite unusual to read for innocent onlooking US’ers and even for innocent onlooking other readers.
I know that. It is what can be expected on a message board like this one. Yet as much as I think you may have your views, I have the right to have mine. You do not need to agree on one single thing to have a mutual respect for eachother on a personal level, even when communications are made by means of an impersonal medium like this one.
There are many members who can count on respect from my side. Even among those who have a point of view that is going directly against mine (Alessan comes to mind. He makes valid points coming from his perpective of the problems in Israel.)
However, I don’t tolerate to be submitted to a different standard then anyone else.
If the administration wants to “warn” me for posts while similar ones (and far worse) coming from others get a clear pass, they need to post that in the terms of agreement.
Then I am free to accept these conditions or to leave (and of course I shall leave).
Salaam. A
On a previous page of this thread you mentioned the importance of Arab rhetoric as a cultural phenomenon. I am very interested in this. I am not an Arabic speaker. Can you suggest any books or other resources that might help a westerner to decode or at least interpret Arabic rhetoric?
Well, I concede these points, but they only demonstrate the insurgents’ lack of concern for the actual welfare of the Iraqis; they seem to want only to kill and destroy to further their own political agenda, which evidently is to lord it over a pile of rubble. I know that sound like a pro-Bush war hawk, but I’m not; I think everyone ought to stand down and start negotiating. Brokered talks might be helpful, but I’m not sure who the brokers could be at this point.
I did read it as Aldebaran actually threatening violence againt US soldiers. As I recall, people have been warned in the past for wishing painful death upon US soliders, advocating killing all muslims, killing the french, strafing baptist churches… Generally I see saying you want to take a gun and shoot people, particularly ones who are a category of people who post on this board, as a bit jerkish.
If Aldebaran was just venting, well, OK, but the Pit is for venting, not GD. And something like “it makes me want to join the reisistance” would have been OK, but since he directly mentioned shooting soliders and since Aldebaran does say he lives in the area and can presumably get a gun and actually shoot soldiers, and we do have american soldiers on this board…I don’t think that’s cool.
Mehitabel, the hassling of Alerbaran is getting pretty tiresome to everybody but you, it seems.
He has, and quite remarkably. If you recall his early posts you would see they typically prompted “What the fuck is he talking about?” responses. Now we usually have a pretty good idea what he means, whether or not we agree with him, and as he says he is self-taught I applaud his success.
I only wish he would develop a more comprehensive awareness of the rich variety of American English “curse words”. A quibble, to be sure. Myself, I can inquire for directions to the train station or the library in two other languages, but would not understand the answers.
I agree that learning to swear effectively and recognize that one is being sworn at are both vital first steps to learning any language and would encourage students to study harder in those important first few weeks of a foreign language class.
Not to me either, but that’s cus I’m in the same boat as her. I’m tired of his shit. His OP is the perfect example of his willful misunderstanding. This isn’t language barrier shit, this is his way of avoiding true debate or taking responsibility for what he’s said. If you can find a way to honestly interpret what Gaudere said as “Shut up, support the US invaders, let your life be endangered, let your friends be killed; without any comment on this, or be banned from the SDMB?” please let me know. Keep in mind this is after he misintepreted the OP as well.
On a slightly different note, I think using the phrase " I think we should turn [insert country here] into a parking lot/sheet of glass/etc…" should get an automatic week’s probation. But IANAM and YMMV.
Not cool? With all due respect, what you consider to be cool or uncool may be a bit difficult for the members of this board to ascertain. Would you be so kind as to post an official Gaudere"cool-o-meter" somewhere in ATMB so the rest of us can clearly delineate what is and isn’t “cool?”
If your concern is for people taking up arms and hurting others, then Martin Hyde’s threat in this very thread merited some comment as well. As of yet, I see no such admonishment.
At the very least, have the courage of your conviction or admit that you are nothing more than a hypocrite.
Isn’t it silly to have a supposedly intellectual board playing semantic games. Joining the Iraqi resistance or the US military (in the context of wanting to join the fight in Iraq) clearly means an intent to inflict damage on the other side. The “threat” stated by Aldebaran is not to sneak into a serviceman’s home and shoot him- it is a threat to join in an active battle. US soldiers in Iraq are already under direct mortal threat, Alderbaran’s comments can only help US servicemen reading here through understanding their opposition’s mentality.
But I should say I understand the visceral feeling in the word “shoot”. I honestly wonder how the modding would have gone had Alderbaran said “I feel like grabbing a gun and joing the fight”