Please take it to ATMB if you want to talk about it or poll others, so that this topic is not hijacked by it.
Fair enough. Is it fair to ask people from within the context of the league to rebuke Johnny Ace’s toxic behavior not relating specifically to the issue of moderation? He needs to know he’s way out of line and obviously I’ve already said my piece, so I’m encouraging others to do this in the hopes that he reduce his behavior if everyone agrees it’s not good for the league.
If you don’t want Johnny posting all season about how I’m breaking the league with Trumpian tactics, declaring it “karma” every time one of his players does well (and how does that even remotely make sense), feel free to let that be known.
Anyway, I didn’t realize until just now that a 14 team league with a 6 man (3 week) playoffs has a hidden benefit - we all play each other once per season, very elegant.
Good news for Omni
Heh I’m toxic.
Let’s follow the chronology here. Super Studly ™ blows hard about how he’s such a superior drafter, in the draft, then proceeds to come here and rationalize his skirting the rules to give himself an even more ludicrous advantage. He doesn’t like my tone in pointing it out, so he descends to insults and pointing out how experienced he is (and how it’s really not skirting the rules), as if that means a damn thing. I was at a low-grade simmer at first, but then HE escalated things. I’m not about to lay down for that bullshit. We’re into full-on boil now. As it is, you have no idea how motivated to take him down again I am this season, not that I needed it anyway. Unfortunately, since he gets me in my weakest bye week of the season, he’ll probably beat me in our head-to-head, but in the end that means nothing either.
For Beef: If it’s such an onus to be a commissioner, maybe you should find someone else to do it. I’ve commissioned leagues before; neither did I have a problem with doing so nor did I go nuclear on any of the players, even when there were rules issues, which occurred.
Nice job of ignoring me, btw. C’mon, I’m sure you can try to justify yourself some more.
Create an ATMB about any posters you want to know why they’re allowed to post if you see them as problems or create a Pit thread if you just want to rant against them or call them names. This isn’t a trial or court, others opinions in this thread wouldn’t matter…it would be best if they sounded off their opinions in an ATMB thread instead. I can move your post number 118 INTO ATMB and make it its own thread, if you like. It works fairly well as an OP. Up to you.
Come now. I’m far more creative than that. And Trumpian is an incredibly apt description. Self-aggrandize, attempt to insult others who don’t buy your rationalizations, claim it wasn’t illegal anyway.
If the rest of you want to kick me out, so be it. It’s not going to ruin my life. But I’m sure as hell not going to bend over for anyone. My tolerance for Beef is exhausted. I hold no ill will for anyone else, nor am I into some kind of narcissistic e-peening.
Knock it off. Take the personal stuff out of this thread. That goes for him and you as well. Take it to the Pit if you must, but take it out of this thread.
Don’t make another post in this thread unless it’s on topic.
Absolutely. Your goal here is to attempt to make the league worse as part of your grudge against me.
I had 4 of the best keepers in this league. This is the reason you’re on your holy quest. So yes, I’m a great drafter.
I did not skirt any rules. I’ve asked you multiple times to indicate what rule I violated, and you are uninterested in making a case that I violated any rules.
We are allowed to trade keeper rights for draft capital. It’s happened before. It’s explicitly allowed. As per post #114, I did not generate a fourth keeper in any way.
This is simply not true. You attempted to harass me during the draft multiple times about it.
Let’s look at your “escalation”
I politely declined a trade offer and offered a reason why. To you this was apparently infuriating, because:
You’re basically accusing me of breaking the league. Then when I asked you to actually articulate a case that I’m doing something unethical, you told me about how
Why would I escalate things? I want you to stop acting like you’re acting any go away. Whereas you feel like you’re on a holy crusade against me, saying that it’s “karma” when one of your guys does well when it makes absolutely no sense at all. You’re the one who has a burning need to constantly point out how I violated the rules (which you will not actually make a case happened) and that the league is ruined because I’m using my commish power to break those rules.
You are, 100%, unambiguously the person who is trying to escalate this, probably to show me “what a formidable opponent you are in real life”, I just want you to drop it and not try to sour the league.
Oh hey, look, from the OP:
“I’m looking for someone else to commish the league if they’re interested. This traditionally hasn’t been one of my leagues and I feel a bit like an outsider running it. I just stepped in at a time no one else would to get it going, but I’d be happy to hand it over if anyone else wants to run it.”
I don’t want to be the commish of this league. I want someone else to do it. No one stepped up. If I didn’t do it, the league wouldn’t be prepared to launch this year.
I’ve been commissioner in multiple leagues for over a decade, though, and people know me to be a very fair and reasonable commish. I always get a consensus and even generally give myself the least possible leeway because it’s important to me not to be seen as abusing the power of the commissioner. I’m actually really good and almost everyone who has played in one of my leagues is happy with me.
It’s entirely clear that you are a hostile person, not even just from this year - do you remember how you provoked arguments in the dynasty thread last year that were none of your business. You’re the problem here, not me. You declared that you want a “war”, while I just tried to get you to stop acting out.
I have no idea what you think I ignored.
Make a case that a rule was violated. Make a case that I did something inappropriate as commish. I have asked you to do this and you declined. I have no idea what you think I’m ignoring.
Okay…
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FROM HERE ON, ANY POST NOT ON TOPIC will be warned, no matter who it is.** This is the last note. Either put each other on ignore or take it the Pit, but the bickering ends right now.
Post at your own risks.
Okay - I don’t understand what you want here, exactly. Are we not willing to post on this issue as it relates to his accusations that I violated a league rule? I did not include personal insults in the last post, and only talked about things relevant to the league going forward. If he’s going to continually accuse me of cheating, he has to either back it up (and we can have a discussion about it) or shut up about it.
I have to clearly know what’s off limits here.
This is now a warning for you. TAKE IT TO ATMB or not, but do not talk about it again in this thread. Drop it or you will get more warnings. You have been told to take it to the Pit or ATMB multiple times now. Please do so.
Dead wrong. I’m not here to blow up the league, any more than anyone else is. See, I am able to separate you from everyone else. If I weren’t, I’d’ve walked…but I fully realize the inconvenience and delegitimization that could give to the entire season for everyone else.
I’ve made the case clear, and someone else in this same thread had already voiced their objection to the particular trading of picks. Everyone here knows what I’m talking about. The rules state that you are allowed three keepers. And you traded the barest of downgrades to effectively ensure you an extra one. I find it along (and crossing) the lines of the shady advantage-seeking that many pro teams do. The rest of my issue has to do with your personal conduct afterwards, but I’m not going to get into that. Not here, anyway.
Now, was there anyone here who didn’t understand that that was my objection (other than you, of course)?
This is now a warning for you. Do not post in this thread again if you’re not playing the game or you will get more warnings.
Well, guys, given that I’ve now been warned for asking what it is I can and cannot talk about in this thread, I may have to play it safe by not posting to the thread at all. Have fun this season.
ATMB thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=835807
Yes. But that may be because I simply don’t care enough, and don’t find the concept of trading keepers or draft picks to be, in any way, against even the spirit of the league as created over a decade ago. Long term value accumulates in various ways in a keeper league, and you have to figure out how to acquire it, or you’re going to suck at this. Or, you could scoff at the very idea of long term value like WeirdDave does, and still beat the crap out of us on a near-yearly basis by drafting like a lunatic throwing darts at a pick sheet. We’ve been fine-tuning the rules in this league since the start - if you think you’ve found something that others can exploit, then please feel free to propose a rule for us all to vote on. Otherwise, let it go.
This is the first and only league I’ve ever played in, covering 14 years and over 50 league-seasons, that each and every trade wasn’t put to a vote by the entire league. There may or may not have been discussion beforehand, but there was always a vote. How about that for a proposal?
I cannot answer your question, since I have asked for clarification in the ATMB thread about what I can and cannot post about in this thread, and no one has answered me. I may even get warned for this post.
You can certainly put that up. I’ll tell you that we used to have league voting, but got rid of it. League voting on every trade is bush league nonsense, and I haven’t been in a league that has it across a very similar stretch as your history. Trades should be vetoed in the event of collusion - and really no other reason. We’re all adults here - no one needs to be protected from themselves for making a stupid shitty trade. But that’s just my vote.
Yep, I’m having that same discussion right now in PM’s.
I don’t see how it’s bush league to approve trades. If anything, it gives at least the veneer of democracy. And it’s not like it’s all that time-consuming, especially in this league, where there have been, what, three, four trades since the beginning of last season?
OK, consider it an official proposal, and also that (assuming approval) it be instituted immediately, since it’s not something that directly affects competition. (Not to be applied retroactively, of course.)
Okay, this is the last thing I will post for 24 hours unless someone needs me to respond to something.
We did away with voting for trades simply because it hasn’t been necesary in any of the SDMB leagues. In a yahoo public league, sure, maybe some guy is throwing a fit and wants to trade away all his good players for nothing, and you need the league votes to stop that. But nothing like that is going to occur in our leagues. Since nothing inappropriate will happen, people should be free to make whatever mistakes they should make - there’s no need to protect them from themselves. Commish approval has the advantage of being very quick. Vote trades take 48 hours. So if you have a player who gets injured on a Friday and want to trade for a replacement on Sunday, you’re screwed with vote trades. But with commish trades, no problem.
That said, here are my posts on the trades I proposed:
So I was very clear with what I intended to do in as far as trades go several weeks before the trade actually occured. If there were objections to such a trade, why weren’t they made in the several weeks after I proposed my intention to make such a trade? No one seemed to have a problem with the idea of me trading keeper rights to players I’m not keeping (which, I repeat, is explicitly allowed and precedented in our league - granted, you would have to dig through old threads and it’s not in the OP of this thread. I would be fine with a remedy to that or a new rule). Why were there only objectons after the trade was made?
If the answer to that was “Well, once we saw the results of the trade, your roster was too good” then you’re not actually objecting to the trade because a rule was broken, but because I had really powerful pieces to trade.
The time to raise an objection to the idea of trading keeper rights was between 8/17 and 9/2. I completely transparently announced my plans to make a trade of that nature. On 9/2, I actually did make exactly the sort of trade I was saying I would all along. If your complaint is that you didn’t have time to object to the trade - you had more than two weeks.
A lot of your complaint before this blew up seemed to simply be about how I have 3 amazing RBs and how my team is stacked, which isn’t, you know, cheating. The funny thing is that even if I never pulled off the trade with Varlos I’d still have 3 amazing RBs - I’d have Johnson/McCoy/Ajayi. If I had simply sold Bryant for an extra 6th rounder, I don’t think people make a big deal out of it. So then given that no one objected to my plans when I declared them, but suddenly have a problem with it now that they see I have a ridiculous roster - that’s inconsistent with the idea that I broke the rules or that people would’ve objected if they had the chance.
As per post #114 (please re-read that), I did not gain an extra keeper, nor did I do anything that hasn’t been done in our league before and is explicitly approved. All I did was trade the rights to a player I wasn’t keeping for a better draft pick, which, again, is explicitly permitted and precedented… The only thing unusual here is the degree/value.