Sexual touching and “grabbing” are two different things. Grabbing implies force and empowerment. Grabbing can be painful. Quit changing “grabbing” to “touching,” that’s not what was said.
Which ones? Links, please.
Your guy Trump* does* care about the rumor-mongering. Which he will probably bring up tonight, in order to lose* this *debate in an even more spectacular way. What fun it will be to watch the last few Republican Rats trying to avoid a watery grave!
Not really. Now there’s an evil version of you over in Elections stumping for the republican candidate as we speak.
You misspelled Paul Ryan.
Bill isnt running.
My first act after I build my time machine is to travel to 1996 and not vote for Bill Clinton.
Wait a tic, I didn’t vote for him in 1996. Ha! Obviously this is evidence I will invent time travel in the future!
Some of the thread/posts here and elsewhere have really kind of depressed me. A bunch of men who don’t seem to understand consent, or that just because someone is rich and famous doesn’t mean he can “do anything” to me, but Bullitt impressed me. Kudos.
It’s 2016, people. We should not have to explain what consent means, and that “she didn’t fight me off” is not consent. Maybe in your day, whenever that was, a woman freezing up when someone in power grabbed her meant all systems go, but jesus christ.
And i agree, almost everything the man has said since he announced he was running was worse than this, but most of that stuff was what he wants to do as president, not what he has done as a “star.”
Pretty much all of the previous things he’s said or done were about “the other”. Hispanics, Muslims, etc. This wasn’t about calling a woman named “Alicia Machado” a fat pig. This was about objectifying and sexually harrassing a woman named “Nancy O’Dell”. Most of the Republican politicians in question don’t have women named things like Alicia Machado in their families and social circles. LOTS of them have women named things like “Nancy O’Dell” in those areas.
This doesn’t even go into the fact that we socialize women, in our society, to “be nice” and “don’t make a scene” and “don’t embarrass people”. Which leaves them pretty much defenseless when someone is crass and rude enough to try to force not-quite-full-rape activity on them, especially if it’s semi-public (not “in sight” but near enough to get some kind of help), for fear of embarrassing the other person. ESPECIALLY if the other person is more powerful than you socially.
Absolutely! And to add even more, then people look at how a woman reacts in the wake of sexual assault, and then decide that if she didn’t act a certain way then it wasn’t a big deal. Well, she didn’t scream, or she didn’t fight him off sufficiently, or yell No in his face, or mace him, or whatever, so clearly it wasn’t a crime and she’s lying. Or some damn thing.
And we men, unfortunately, tend to think that our societal privilege that allows US to react to things like that overtly negatively also extends to women, and it simply doesn’t. Not even NOW. There’s still an implicit gulf between “acceptable” female reactions to unwelcome advances and acceptable male reactions to the same. It’s eroding as time goes on, and more men are becoming aware that “acceptable” isn’t identical for both sexes, but it still exists, and not in some tiny little pocket of society.
All you need to do to know this is so is to look at the prevalence of social media horror stories, especially from dating sites. Rejection of their advances is NOT taken well by a lot of men, and the go-to reaction seems to be absolute fury.
It appears that you have been asleep for the past 24 years (if you mean “accusations of rapes and sexual assaults”).
Of course they have, but they’re not running for president. I don’t care about the “guy talk”, but a man who doesn’t have the brains to keep his mouth shut around reporters has no business in public office.
Yup, aftershocks from an earthquake.
My bad.
Especially when he’s miked up.
Regarding the OP, one of the best replies comes from J.K. Rowling:
Trump has been desperately wanting to get into politics since 1988; he just never could get anyone to take him that seriously until now.
And the fact is that Trump has always been–as he is now, more than ever–the ultimate politician, who will say any bullshit he can to get votes.
As anyone who’s been mugged can tell you – as I’ve been – the victim is often so shocked that they take some time to even process it, and it not uncommon to keep the police out of it.
Imagine with something so loaded as sexual assault, especially when perpetrated by someone powerful and credible. Women are often blamed and doubted. I am disappointed, but not surprised, that many men take shocked silence to mean consent.
I saw a meme go through my facebook feed this morning that said (paraphrased) it’s kind of funny that the republicans are all saying it’s totally okay to vote someone into presidency that advocates for groping any woman he wants to, but just a few months ago the republicans were saying what a terrible idea it would be if transwomen used the female restrooms because, wait for it, they might grope women.
Well, which way do you want it? Is it okay or not?
"Everyone had their reasons for still supporting Trump, and many weren’t bothered by the “locker-room talk.” “Come on, that’s how real men talk!” said a very frustrated man who wouldn’t give his name. “That’s how men talk!” A 17-year-old who has been volunteering for the Trump campaign, and who also didn’t want his name used, was explaining to a bystander that Trump’s comments weren’t predatory because they let him do it because he’s a star, and that is a form of consent.
Read more: The Scene at Trump Tower: Gathering of the Diehards - POLITICO Magazine"
It would be nice if they wore a DT t-shirt, that way women would know to stay far away from them.
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