[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
I think it’s pretty clear at this point that it’s the Haitian who’s doing the blocking. Why would he be following them around everywhere if AED could do it on his own?
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OK, who has the power to block other powers?
Who has the power to wipe memories?
Thanks,
[QUOTE=mnemosyne]
When Mohinder is on the phone talking to the FBI(?) about “Charlotte Something-or-other was just killed 2 days ago”… wasn’t that about Charlie?
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I think it was “Charlene” and yeah I think it was Midland, Texas.
[QUOTE=Rucksinator]
OK, who has the power to block other powers?
Who has the power to wipe memories?
Thanks,
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As far as we know now, the Haitian has both.
[QUOTE=mnemosyne]
When Mohinder is on the phone talking to the FBI(?) about “Charlotte Something-or-other was just killed 2 days ago”… wasn’t that about Charlie? The nickname makes sense, and I’m pretty sure he said it was in Texas. So Hiro came back to the café 2 days after Charlie was killed, which was the same day as the Homecoming attack… 2 days for a memorial to be set up makes sense, doesn’t it?
I’d pretty much have to rewatch everything… can someone else who’s been following things better than me see if it works under that assumption?
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Hiro’s blog on the NBC website explicitly states that he returned to diner two days after Charlie’s death.
[QUOTE=scotandrsn]
[ul][li]Presuming the above, on the selfsame day, some guy arrives, alone as far as I’m concerned, and says he’s waiting for my suddenly horribly dead co-worker’s admirer who arrived mysterioulsy one day and then vanished from her life some time ago. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Once the guy’s been hanging around for six or twelve hours, I’m making a discreet call to the cops so this dude can be questioned.[/li][li]But maybe I don’t for some reason. However, just as the local news should be saturated with word of a nearly identical murder not 25 miles away on the same day, said missing admirer DOES show up, by bus. Now, memories of my dead co-worker still VERY fresh in my mind, it having been less than 48 hours past, my call to the cops is more immediate and less clandestine.[/ul][/li][/quote]
I had mistakenly thought you were being a nitpicking whiner, but goddamn that’s some shitty fucking writing you’ve just pointed out for us slow people.
Bummer. I was much happier when I wasn’t aware of exactly how stupid that was.
[QUOTE=carterba]
Did anybody else notice that Peter, in his dream/vision, appeared to be wearing a Sylar-brand watch and a dark trenchcoat (rather than the light trenchcoat he wore in Homecoming)? And the soundtrack has the ticking sounds that are part of Sylar’s motif. Yet the other heroes all appear to recognize Peter as Peter.
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I don’t know if they did see Dream Peter as Peter. Note that people were running in terror from him and a handful approached and then backed away in fear. If Peter was seeing the dream from Sylar’s perspective that would make sense, but it would mean that everyone was reacting to Sylar.
Either way, I doubt that confrontation in New York is going to play out like Peter’s dream. I’m just considering a sign of what’s to come.
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee]
Bummer. I was much happier when I wasn’t aware of exactly how stupid that was.
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Which is why it doesn’t pay to overthink this stuff.
[QUOTE=bouv]
Not everbody. Mohinder was there as well, seen getting out of the driver’s side of a taxi (seemingly indicating how he took up his fatther’s work.) I just take that to mean that Simone has a larger part to play later on.
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I believe Ando is in Peters dream/vision as well.
[QUOTE=mnemosyne]
When Mohinder is on the phone talking to the FBI(?) about “Charlotte Something-or-other was just killed 2 days ago”… wasn’t that about Charlie? The nickname makes sense, and I’m pretty sure he said it was in Texas. So Hiro came back to the café 2 days after Charlie was killed, which was the same day as the Homecoming attack… 2 days for a memorial to be set up makes sense, doesn’t it?
I’d pretty much have to rewatch everything… can someone else who’s been following things better than me see if it works under that assumption?
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I just rewatched the relevant portions. Assuming that AED’s meeting with Isaac takes place on the same day that Charlie dies (given that they cut back and forth between the story lines in “Seven Minutes to Midnight”), then the homecoming murder takes place exactly one day after Charlie’s death (AED tells Isaac who Sylar is in his painting, and says he’s going to kill Claire the following night).
At the beginning of “Homecoming”, Simone shows Peter the digital image of the ruined painting showing him lying bloody under a homecoming banner, and tells him she found out the school is having a homecoming game that night. He calls Hiro’s cell number, which rings his phone in his bag at the diner, where Ando is there to answer it. A memorial to Charlie is up, and the place is busy with customers and patrons all going about their business with nary a care in the world.
So my perception of the timeline is off. But the whole thing still strikes me as weird. Everyone’s back to normal way the hell too quickly, and I can’t imagine the place isn’t a taped-off crime scene still. Or is this sort of thing just run-of-the-mill in Midland? “So, Jim, looks like we had ourselves one of those head-slicing murders you hear about in the storeroom yesterday. Yep, right in back where we keep the flour and fruit for the pies. Turned poor Charlie into an overgrown Pez dispenser. Warm up your coffee?”
Also:
The diner waitress tells Ando about Hiro’s history with Charlie after he asks about the altered birthday picture. Ando begs her to tell him where Hiro might be. Reacting as though it’s the first time she’s heard the name in forever, she informs him that Hiro “popped out of her life a few weeks ago”. Which means Ando, in the perception of the locals, has been hovering around the diner alone since the the murder yesterday with no explanation, and suddenly wants to know about the dead girl’s oddly-vanished sweetheart. Who shows up that night. Greeted by cries of recognition by exactly no one who knew Charlie.
The next day, after two similarly gruesome murders in the area in as many days have happened, the suddenly-reappeared Hiro shows up again (or have they been there the whole time?) with his friend and some guy who looks like a junkie and they speak in hushed tones for a time.
“Howdy. Would any of you boys like a danish?”
[QUOTE=scotandrsn]
[ul]
[li]Presuming the above, on the selfsame day, some guy arrives, alone as far as I’m concerned, and says he’s waiting for my suddenly horribly dead co-worker’s admirer who arrived mysterioulsy one day and then vanished from her life some time ago. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Once the guy’s been hanging around for six or twelve hours, I’m making a discreet call to the cops so this dude can be questioned.[/li][li]But maybe I don’t for some reason. However, just as the local news should be saturated with word of a nearly identical murder not 25 miles away on the same day, said missing admirer DOES show up, by bus. Now, memories of my dead co-worker still VERY fresh in my mind, it having been less than 48 hours past, my call to the cops is more immediate and less clandestine.[/li][/ul]
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Well, Hiro and Ando were sitting in the diner when Charlie was killed. They would have been questioned and eliminated as suspects. Then Hiro jumps to the past. But by the time Ando gets around to asking about Hiro’s picture, the cops have already been in contact with the FBI and know the killer was Sylar, a known serial killer the FBI have been after for awhile. Everyone but Ando has apparently forgotten Hiro was there earlier that day. I don’t believe Ando ever told anyone he was waiting for Hiro. He just asked the waitress if she knew who he was, when the picture was taken and if she knew where he was. She told him he left six weeks ago and gave him a “sorry can’t help you” look.
Later in the evening or maybe sometime during the night Hiro shows up by bus. Neither the waitress nor anyone who knows Hiro would necessarily be there at that time of night to recognize Hiro when he walks in the door. The murder at the high school took place just before 8:12 PM and probably didn’t make the news until the following morning.
That’s where the writing gets loose for me. The next day Hiro, Ando and Isaac go back to the diner during the day. Someone could be expected to recognize him then.
Actually they did have a shot of a girl standing next to the memorial crying and the older waitress patted her on the shoulder so everything wasn’t completely back to business as usual.
Overthinking
[QUOTE=Rucksinator]
OK, who has the power to block other powers?
Who has the power to wipe memories?
Thanks,
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AED has ordered the Haitian to clean peoples’ memories out, and he brought the Haitian along to the police station to block Matt’s telepathy, so it looks like it’s the Haitian ahead 2:0 on powers.
About Sylar and his ability to look into people and see what makes them tick: it seemed to me that he was demonstrating that ability while talking to AED. I looked to me like he was reading Dad through the glass and figuring things out about him. It seems like a type of telepathy, or maybe super-empathy. He doesn’t just put himself in someone’s place, he can make himself like someone else.
When he was in the cell and raging at AED, I think that he had already regained his abilities and was just waiting for an opportune moment to escape.
Either that, or he really wanted to add to his powers and was just waiting for some time when he would be alone with either Eden or with the Jamaican dude.
Frankly, I don’t know if I’d try to use any power on him more than once, especially something that acts on his mind (like Eden’s). I’d be willing to bet that after the first time, he’s able to figure it out and how to counter it. He’s kind of like Doomsday, the DC comics guy who killed Superman (although temporarily). The Haitian might be able to use his ability more than once, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
That’s my .02 anyway.
I think I’m just gonna call the idiotic diner Anne Nesia’s Grill and movie on.
I’d have to go back and watch the Eden/Sylar scene again to be sure, but I don’t think her power failed to work on him. She just didn’t give him very good instructions. She says something like “I’m going to put this gun in the tray and slide it into the room, and then you’ll pick it up and shoot yourself” (or words to that effect). That’s a conditional statement. Until she does the first part of the sentence (slide the gun into the room through the tray), he’s not compelled to do the second part (pick it up and shoot himself). Or at least that’s what I assume. Hiro and Ando did reference “if then” statements earlier in the episode, and that’s basically what this was.
What Eden should have done, of course, was first tell him to not harm her. But it seemed like she thought he couldn’t use his powers against her while he was in the room or what not. Not sure why on that one, and it is kind of confusing. Then once she’s gone through the glass, they make a point of showing that Sylar has a thumb on her throat so that she can’t talk.
I guess I was the only one who thought it was Sylar who caused Eden to turn the gun on herself, just like he did with the female FBI agent. I know it doesn’t seem to make sense, given that with her brains blown out, he might not be able to take her powers. But perhaps he didn’t really care about her powers, or he could get them just as easily by eating bits of brain without having to consume the whole thing. I wonder if they’ll replay that scene at the opening of the next episode, perhaps with a wider angle or a different perspective, so we can see more fully what actually happened, or if they intend to leave it to speculation. I cannot wait until January!
[QUOTE=Shayna]
I guess I was the only one who thought it was Sylar who caused Eden to turn the gun on herself, just like he did with the female FBI agent. I know it doesn’t seem to make sense, given that with her brains blown out, he might not be able to take her powers. But perhaps he didn’t really care about her powers, or he could get them just as easily by eating bits of brain without having to consume the whole thing. I wonder if they’ll replay that scene at the opening of the next episode, perhaps with a wider angle or a different perspective, so we can see more fully what actually happened, or if they intend to leave it to speculation. I cannot wait until January!
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You could always watch it on nbc.com…
And I thought the expression of Sylar’s face made it clear he wasn’t happy with (and therefore didn’t cause) her blowing her brains out.
[QUOTE=drillrod]
About Sylar and his ability to look into people and see what makes them tick: it seemed to me that he was demonstrating that ability while talking to AED. I looked to me like he was reading Dad through the glass and figuring things out about him. It seems like a type of telepathy, or maybe super-empathy. He doesn’t just put himself in someone’s place, he can make himself like someone else.
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I think Peter is the one who does it via super-empathy. Sylar seems to do it via super-observation, kind of how Bene Gesserits exercise petit perception, observing and analyzing minutiae the rest of us miss.
[QUOTE=levdrakon]
I think Peter is the one who does it via super-empathy. Sylar seems to do it via super-observation, kind of how Bene Gesserits exercise petit perception, observing and analyzing minutiae the rest of us miss.
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Well, except for the raking through brains with his fingertips and all. Don’t quite see how he could super-observe the structures inside someone’s head from the outside.
[QUOTE=Otto]
Well, except for the raking through brains with his fingertips and all. Don’t quite see how he could super-observe the structures inside someone’s head from the outside.
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To gain your powers he has to literally look inside your head. But just to figure out that for instance, your weakness is your protecting your daughter who is most likely the super powered cheerleader and you’re probably bluffing about the room being what’s keeping my powers in check he just has to super-observe you a bit.