[QUOTE=DigitalC]
I’m kinda dissapointed at how easily Sylar took Peter out. Peter has by far the stronger powers and its not like that glass move wasn’t totally telegraphed. I guess hes just not much of a fighter.
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I was disappointed too but I guess they are saving that fight for a later date.
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy]
And the world didn’t need saving; it was more than capable of working things out on its own if he hadn’t been working to push things to the brink.
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[spoiler]No, it wasn’t. That was a significant point of the novel. The Doomsday clock imagery wasn’t just window dressing. The world of Watchmen was on the brink of toppling into the abyss. It was relevant to the real world, but it wasn’t the real world. War with Russia was a looming, but not particularly major threat in the real world. In Watchmen, it was a very, very real threat.
Or, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe Ostermann was wrong. Or maybe his plan wouldn’t work, and the world would continue on on its self-destructive path. But being wrong isn’t the same as being evil.
He didn’t kill people for his own power. Or his own enjoyment. Or his own aggrandizement. He killed them to save everyone else. Moral flexibility isn’t the same as evil.
And, yes, if what actually happened comes out, it’ll all probably come to nought. That’s still a long way from evil. That is, at worst, poor planning. At best, an acceptable risk, given the intended gain.[/spoiler]
[QUOTE=Terminus Est]
Mohinder drives his father’s cab so no awkward explanations needed.
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I totally forgot about that. Hopefully he didn’t have too many people trying to hop in the cab when he had to stop.
So, were the clues to killing Sylar in the comic that Isaac sent off to the publisher?
Hmm, maybe Hiro needs to go back in time and bring back a dinosaur to eat Sylar!
[QUOTE=jacob wrestling]
So…in Peter v. Sylar, after Peter developed a bad case of glass-in-the-brain-itis, what was it that stopped Sylar?
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Mohinder smashed the large board with the world map (with all the mutant photos connected by strings) into him and knocked him out.
Mohinder really must be an idiot. He finally had the chance to put a couple bullets into Sylar’s brain and he passes up the opportunity. Then a couple minutes later he’s talking to Eric Roberts about how important it is that they hunt down and stop Sylar! :smack:
How many movies have we seen that happen in? The hero knocks out the psycho killer, then instead of finishing the job he turns his back to go to check on his friend. Which allows the psycho killer to pop up and attack again, or escape to menace them later. For god’s sake, it’d only take a couple extra seconds to pick up the gun and finish him off!
[QUOTE=Wile E]
So, were the clues to killing Sylar in the comic that Isaac sent off to the publisher?
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I bet they were in the sketchbook he gave to the courier.
[QUOTE=Otto]
Oh, and even though my WAG was completely wrong, at least my math was right. 42 million people in NYC? I don’t think so, Mister Linderman. More like 8.
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[math geek]You’re off by an order of magnitude. Linderman put half the population of NYC as being .07% of the 6.5 billion in the world. This would put the number of dead at 4.55 million, and the population of New York at 9.1 million. Linderman was off by about a million so the title probably should have been .06%.[/math geek]
[QUOTE=DigitalC]
I’m kinda dissapointed at how easily Sylar took Peter out. Peter has by far the stronger powers and its not like that glass move wasn’t totally telegraphed. I guess hes just not much of a fighter.
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Peter was temporarily incapacitated because his emo-bang got cut off.
[QUOTE=Santos L Halper]
How many movies have we seen that happen in? The hero knocks out the psycho killer, then instead of finishing the job he turns his back to go to check on his friend. Which allows the psycho killer to pop up and attack again, or escape to menace them later. For god’s sake, it’d only take a couple extra seconds to pick up the gun and finish him off!
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This is one of the reasons I love Army Of Darkness. A monster is on the floor seemingly dead. What does Ash do? “It’s a trick. Get an axe”
Looks like next week is a “what if”. The last scene was totally bizarre. Isn’t that a paradox or something? He really does look too cool in the future.
You really can’t trust anybody with that morphing biach turning up everywhere. You’d need some kind of code word to make sure who you were talking to. I thought Nikki was really acting out of character with Micah and kicked myself for not catching on sooner.
Grandma is something isn’t she? Do you think she’s in on Linderman’s plans? She just looks like she could rationalize anything in order to get Peter elected.
Great episode. So glad it’s back.
[QUOTE=Terminus Est]
Peter was temporarily incapacitated because his emo-bang got cut off.
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Good thing too. He looks much better, older, more serious.
Now if they could just make Radioactive Guy shave so he doesn’t look like the Geico caveman.
Anyway…
OK, so it looks like HRG’s organization is actually working for Linderman. And they suggested that Mama Petrelli has powers. I may have missed it, but did she give any indication that she did or didn’t when Clair sorta brought up the idea?
Linderman has powers too, and used to be a member of a group that were working to make things better. The Justice League of America maybe? 
Who else were members? Mama Petrelli? Papa Petrelli? Sulu?
And how sure are we that it’s really Peter that’s supposed to blow up New York? I have a feeling that it may be a miss-direction and it’ll really be Sprague.
It’s interesting that Bennett knows what those guys can do better than they do.
I wonder what Mama Petrelli can do? We know it’s not making oatmeal cookies. Maybe she can “see things” because how else did she know about Claire coughing up the bullet? Haitian guy didn’t see that happen to tell Mama P about it. Unless that knowledge is due to something as mundane as a surveillance camera … but that would be boring.
On Preview, Santos and I are having similar thoughts, I also think Ted is going to be the bomb guy. I always thought it would be Ted.
[QUOTE=DigitalC]
I’m kinda dissapointed at how easily Sylar took Peter out. Peter has by far the stronger powers and its not like that glass move wasn’t totally telegraphed. I guess hes just not much of a fighter.
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Agreed. I was hoping for such a cool showdown, and then, meh.
Why was Peter facing away from Sylar? I mean, Sylar was telegraphing the thing with the shards of glass for about 5 minutes, and all Peter could think to do to avoid them was turn his back? Wouldn’t one of the great things about being able to go invisible be that you could put yourself in a position to take advantage of your opponent? Not so that you could turn your back and stand in front of him.
And after all that, Mohinder knocks out the supervillian with a bulletin board? That whole thing was the king of underwhelming confrontations between superpower dudes.
And then as others have said, Mohinder previously tried to pop a cap in Sylar’s ass when he was strapped to a chair, but after knocking him out with a balsa wood bulletin board, he leaves him knocked out like Jason from Friday the 13th so that he can take Peter’s dead body to lay out on his mother’s occasional table.
After taking all that time to work on it, I hoped for a lot more from this episode.
[QUOTE=Tengu]
[spoiler]No, it wasn’t. That was a significant point of the novel. The Doomsday clock imagery wasn’t just window dressing. The world of Watchmen was on the brink of toppling into the abyss. It was relevant to the real world, but it wasn’t the real world. War with Russia was a looming, but not particularly major threat in the real world. In Watchmen, it was a very, very real threat.
Or, maybe it wasn’t. Maybe Ostermann was wrong. Or maybe his plan wouldn’t work, and the world would continue on on its self-destructive path. But being wrong isn’t the same as being evil.
He didn’t kill people for his own power. Or his own enjoyment. Or his own aggrandizement. He killed them to save everyone else. Moral flexibility isn’t the same as evil.
And, yes, if what actually happened comes out, it’ll all probably come to nought. That’s still a long way from evil. That is, at worst, poor planning. At best, an acceptable risk, given the intended gain.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]War was looming because Ozymandius intentionally worked to increase international tensions.
The whole thing was an ego trip for him. He laid down a thin justification that he was the only one who could see things and he was the chosen savior. Justification of evil actions is not the same thing as moral ambiguity.
He could have chosen to work in the system. Decrease international tensions. work to provide a better tomorrow. He didn’t; he chose to murder millions of people for a very tenuous benefit and ego boost.
If you want to continue this I’ll be happy to take it to a new thread where we can at least stop these spoiler boxes, but I suspect we’d just go back and forth like this.[/spoiler]
And the fact that no one ever tries to kill Sylar is getting old. Okay, I can see the organization not doing it because they didn’t realize the threat and they thought they could contain him. And I could see Mohinder not doing it initially since he thought he could get something out of Sylar (though why not kill him and then take the sample?). But this is really pushing things. The man is a serial killer who we know will not stop, is nearly impossible to take down, almost impossible to contain, and can (and will) kill anyone in his way with a thought. Since I don’t expect Sylar to survive the season this hopefully won’t happen again but it was really annoying tonight…
Am I misremembering? Didn’t Sylar take the gun apart with his TK? Even if not the place was a bit of a mess. I can buy not looking around for a deadly weapon and just wanting to get the hell out of there and keep Sylar from getting his hands on Peter’s brain.
What I don’t get is why Mo went back to the apartment.
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy]
War was looming because Ozymandius intentionally worked to increase international tensions.
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We clearly read completely different books. Because I don’t remember anything even vaguely resembling this. [spoiler]He increased anti-mask sentiment, in order to keep them out of his way. He deliberately ruined Dr Manhattan’s life. But he did nothing to increase the tension between the US and Russia. He didn’t need to. That Dr Manhattan existed, and was an American - and that the Americans were, as they showed in Viet Nam, willing to use him as a weapon - was enough.
Of course, it’s been a while since I read Watchmen. I may have just forgotten him actually causing nuclear war to become an imminent threat. But that would completely change the novel from a complex, ambiguous story to a straight ahead superhero adventure. Except for the fact that the villain won, and three of the heroes fell into villainy at the end.
The mention of Osterman in my post should be Veidt, I’m not sure how I switched them.[/spoiler]
[QUOTE=Tengu]
We clearly read completely different books. Because I don’t remember anything even vaguely resembling this. [spoiler]He increased anti-mask sentiment, in order to keep them out of his way. He deliberately ruined Dr Manhattan’s life. But he did nothing to increase the tension between the US and Russia. He didn’t need to. That Dr Manhattan existed, and was an American - and that the Americans were, as they showed in Viet Nam, willing to use him as a weapon - was enough.
Of course, it’s been a while since I read Watchmen. I may have just forgotten him actually causing nuclear war to become an imminent threat. But that would completely change the novel from a complex, ambiguous story to a straight ahead superhero adventure. Except for the fact that the villain won, and three of the heroes fell into villainy at the end.
The mention of Osterman in my post should be Veidt, I’m not sure how I switched them.[/spoiler]
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Do you think you guys could clearly label this stuff as being about something other than the show? Thanks in advance…
What is Grandma’s power? Does she even have one?
Man, Ted is looking better and better.
EMPs rock!
Hm. Well, next week should be real fun.
[QUOTE=Santos L Halper]
Mohinder smashed the large board with the world map (with all the mutant photos connected by strings) into him and knocked him out.
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Huh. Apparently, my brain didn’t want to accept “Sylar gets taken out by a peg board” and jumped straight to the conclusion that Peter must have some freaky post-mortem revenge power.
My new theory is that Papa Petrelli = Linderman, because Mrs. Petrelli clearly goes way back in the supers business. At the very least, we haven’t heard the last about Papa Petrelli. How was he supposed to have died, again?
[QUOTE=jacob wrestling]
My new theory is that Papa Petrelli = Linderman, because Mrs. Petrelli clearly goes way back in the supers business.
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But if that were the case, wouldn’t Nathan have recognized Linderman as his own father?