Hillary goes down: what happens next?

No, I formed the idea over the years of watching the behavior of Hillary Clinton.

Two of my last five posts started with huh and that’s not generally evidence of excellence in reading comprehension?

According to whom?

Listen pal, I’m new here, I’m looking for some SERIOUS POLITICAL DISCUSSION. I may be new here but I don’t take shit from anyone. I don’t test anybody and so nobody tests me.

GOT IT?

You want to bust the balls of the new guy? My email is redacted. Write me and try busting my balls there. Otherwise play me straight or don’t bother me again.

On whom remains to be determined. [rimshot]

Riv1,

I’ve removed your personal email from your post. It seemed a good idea.

If you do feel a need to call another poster out or be insulting, we have a forum for such called The BBQ Pit. The rules for insults and flaming are considerably looser there and might stand you in good stead.

“{T}he horse back in the pack starting to gather speed” first has to stop refusing to enter the race. :wink:

The other thing is Benghazi, then, is it? What makes you think it’s finally going to start working for you, after all these years?

Not sure Bill would agree with you on that matter.

She is a stalking horse and will begin running hard once the front runner starts to falter and lose gas. You pace yourself if you want to win, you don’t burn it all out a year before like the modern day Dem frontrunners always do because there’s nothing left in the tank once the frontrunner makes the Jan NH turn.

Yeah well what do you expect? Bill ain’t treated her right since 1972. They are MINOS or married in name only.

There’s all kinds of “married”.

So, a lawyer greets new potential clients, a very elderly couple. He asks what they are there for, and she says “We want a divorce.”. The lawyer is a bit taken aback and asks “If I may ask, how long have you been married?”.

“Seventy-two years” she answers.

“Gosh!” says the lawyer, “that’s a long time! Why do you want a divorce now?”

“We wanted to wait till the kids were dead.”

I couldn’t care less whether they stayed married for love or for political expediency or whatever. That’s their business. If it were for political expediency, they certainly wouldn’t be the first!

Well, first you stop saying flatly you’re not even going to run. :wink:

Their candidacies aren’t dead. They’re just resting!

Let me explain it again.

What’s her name? Warren isn’t RUNNING as long as Clinton runs. Ok? Got me so far? But Warren IS out there in the race running at a trot and looking to 1-Show her form 2- Waiting to see if or when the lead horse (Clinton) falters in which case look out for Warren because Warren (who is conserving energy right now and is coyly denying an interest in 2016) is going to start charging up the field.

Ok? Got it now? Can we move on?

“We”,* kimosabe*?

Except that the only thing that gets candidates to drop out of the race is other candidates beating them. If those other candidates don’t even start running until the front-runner drops out, then they’ll never start running.

Great point. Clinton will not drop out of this race unless it looks like a Democrat might beat her. She will stay in the race even if it’s almost certain a Republican will beat her. Since Democrats seem perfectly willing to ride that horse all the way off the cliff unless Warren gets in the race, Warren’s stance makes no sense if she plans to run if Clinton drops out. She’s the only one who can make Clinton drop out in the first place.

Not so much willing IMO as resigned, adaher. As you both said, you drop out after taking a hit because there *are * others right there behind you who will come in and pick up the flag; if there are no others, you just limp on. Waiting until the frontrunner is mortally wounded to THEN start moving does not work.
And the Clinton machine has spent years doing everything to ensure that any viable others kept their heads down. They have been partly helped also by OfA being the ones running the national-level Party for 8 years – a strong organization for running presidential elections, but that took all the sunlight and water from state parties, caused a “nationalization of issues” in state-level votes and resulted in the depletion of the Dem “farm system” after the 2010 and 2014 statehouse/congress elections (because Obama voters don’t show up when he is not the one running, but Reps can still run *against *Obama policies and *their *voters *will *show up). Add to that the the current administration’s repeated drafting of promising Dem elected officials into Cabinet posts so hardly anyone can really run as “the outsider” this time around.

I believe many in what was famously dubbed the “professional left” know there’s little to no chance for a real progressive to get elected and are willing to actively support Clinton just because a Republican would be so far much worse. But at the least they could have someone in the race holding her feet to the fire – one big concern is that she’ll arrive at summer of 2016 with minimal contested-campaign-trail warm-up, and another that the GOP can start shooting at her already and even though there may be no “killer” issue, she’ll still be bleeding from a thousand little pokes.

How soon we forget. Gary Hart, anyone? I think our friend is expecting some “great reveal” to be forthcoming, after which Hillary will “go down”, if you will.

The implication being that the GOP has a knockout punch scandal squirreled away in some secret vault. Somehow, this weapon of Clinton destruction isn’t even an internet rumor or known to any journalist or news organization. I think that little fantasy resides at Bullshit Manor down on Wishful Thinking Lane. That’s not to say that something like the Clinton Foundation issue can’t snowball into an insurmountable obstacle for Hillary.And good riddance, frankly. I’d prefer never to see the name Clinton or Bush on a ballot ever again.

How strong is a candidacy if much of the constituency views it with resignation? I’ve yet to see anyone express enthusiasm for HRC on this board.

There is definitely no secret silver bullet that only the Republicans have, and if the Democrats have it it would be political malpractice to not bust it out themselves right now. If leading Democrats knew something, Republicans and the media would find out about it before the general election, so might as well put her campaign out of its misery now.

The real danger is that the Clintons themselves know something that would pretty much end their campaign in much the same way that John Edwards knew something while he was running. That probably won’t be a secret until after the election either if such a thing exists.

OK, this oughta be good.

What makes you think so? Besides your hope for Clinton not to win, that is. What *facts *imply to you that Warren is actually running, or going to, or even considering it? What?

Simple assertions contrary to fact don’t cut it here.

Now, can you confirm the other thing you’re sure is going to destroy Clinton is Benghazi? :wink: