Now you are changing your story. At first you said Kirk didn’t apologize so we should accept H4e’s apology no matter how sincere it is or we are all hypocrits. But now its clear that he did. He may have been insincere. Or maybe he was sincere. If you want to talk about Kirk being an insincere asshole, start a thread about how Kirk is an insincere asshole.
H4e apology is obviously insincere because she says in that post that she isn’t being sincere by saying she is only apologizing because cj wants her to.
He’s to apologize toKirkland for requesting an apology from Kirkland?
Yeah, that makes sense. How’s’bout Kirkland make right the last six months of bad actions, AND show that he understands what he did wrong, and then he’ll have some standing to complain about Shodan.
For what it’s worth, yeah, His4Ever’s apology was lame. So was Kirkland’s, since “Just because I didn’t apologize in public doesn’t mean I didn’t apologize for stepping over the line in the GD,” doesn’t mean that he did apologize. Lame, lame, lame. Throw in the intemperate remarks here, and I don’t perceive Kirkland as contrite in the least.
So Ace, if Kirkland didn’t apologize to the mods/other powers-that-be, how is it that he’s back? It takes more than just someone(s) vouching for a person to get said person back if the banning was warranted.
You know, I tend to agree with you on the degree and heat of Kirk’s past comments. However, neither in the theological realm nor in the context of board practice, it is for neither of us to judge. Those who have a right to judge, have, and have forgiven him – in both cases.
Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.” You think maybe there’s a lesson for us in that, friend?
Aw, it’s just Ace, getting his jollies by poking people again. It’s a standard pattern with him; annoy people until they lash out at him, and then pull the “you’re all picking on me” act. I guess everybody’s gotta have a hobby.
Let’s all apologize. I apologize to anyone I might have unintentionally offended if they think for some reason that an apology is necessary. There. I feel much better.
Iampunha: To me, at least, they are two different beasts. How Kirkland got back here is between him and the Moderators. He has certainly not apologized to the board, nor has he explicitly admitted an apology of any kind.
The Moderators have seen the apology (please note this is a specific statement that there was one). If that’s not good enough for you, then that’s your problem.
But nice try, by the way, of trying to deflect the well-deserved criticism of your pet bigot His4Ever by twisting this thread to be about me. Very subtle. Really. Quite a decent effort on behalf of an indecent person.
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*Originally posted by Polycarp *
[ul][li]Welcome back, Kirk. I cannot tell you how glad I am to see you back here again.[/ul][/li][/quote]
Thanks.
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[ul][li]I think you (Kirk) misjudge Shodan. I don’t agree with him on a lot of issues, including the one at hand, but I think he is sincere and thoughtful in what he has to say, and in no way hates or despises you and the other gay people here. [/ul][/li][/quote]
He supports a viscious anti-gay bigot and helps her spread her propaganda. That is hate.
Dudes. Must we do this again? Shodan: H4E is being willfuly ignorant and hurtful. And Kirkland owes an apology to a) those whom he insulted, and b) the mods. He don’t owe one to the Teeming Twenty Thousand.
Not that it matters. I’d say that Kirkie has paid for his sins. Actually, I look forward to him explaining, in a cool, clear, calm voice, what an idiot H4E is, in monosyllables.
I would also like to propose the ten-second rule: Before you post something vitrolic, breathe deeply and think happy thoughts for ten seconds. Then go back, and see if anything you wrote was over the top.
IMHO: Saying, “I think you’re an abomination,” and “I believe this book states that you are an abomination, and that this book is true,” are the same damn thing. That means that His4ever has opened herself to someone like me heading over to Internet Infidels, downloading the list of Biblical atrocites and inconsistencies, and asking her if she believes that, for instance, disobedient sons and Onanists should be put to death. If so, we’ve just lost the teenagers.
I have started this post twice over, and I still don’t know how it is going to turn out.
OK, I was wrong - now it is restarted three times. And I have run out of different ways to explain what I am thinking.
Nonetheless, because I value the opinion of most - hell, of all - the posters in this thread - yes, Kirkland1244, you too - and especially because I cannot imagine anyone regretting that they took Polycarp’s advice on a matter such as this -
I apologize for any of the remarks I made that were offensive. If I seemed to state or imply that Kirkland1244 should not have been un-banned, I am sorry for that as well.
I don’t want to water this down by tacking on any lame excuses afterwards, but I am honestly unsure if the above is what the board found to be offensive in what I said. If there is something more/something else that I said that went over the line, please let me know what it was.
And here is where I am tempted to justify myself by carping, or by pointing fingers at others. Which would spoil the effect.
So I guess this is where the post is going to end up.
Yes! Precisely! They are exactly the same thing! Thank God, someone else smart enough to realize this.
His4Ever ascribing the source of her anti-gay bigotry to the oft-redacted myths of a bronze age nomadic desert tribe doesn’t make her any less of an anti-gay bigot.
OK folks, now that it’s outside of business hours which means no one’s likely to phone me with a wonderful job offer, let me get back to this mess.
First of all, His4Ever has e-mailed me and I have responded to her off-line. Hopefully, we’ll be able to sort things out, (Polycarp, one phrase I used was “I will, with God’s help.”)
Second, she did say, in response to a post by agentfroot on this page (and I hope this doesn’t turn out to be the first post on page 3!),
That, as stated in agentfroot’s post was
Apology accepted with regard to the OP. I suspect we may be thrashing out other issues raised for a very long time.
Now, for the rest of you, Bosda, “Back at you!” and Kirkland, it’s good to have you back, warts and all. Drat. I’m not going to do a mile long post addressing all of you. Besides, most of you know what I think of you. Oh, Polycarp, thanks for the back up.
I was worried about being too harsh, but her post cut deep. Anyway, I, for one, am willing to wait to see what happens next.
First of all, I think you’re overestimating those numbers. Closer to 3.5 billion of them in the world.
And secondly, what’s offensive? The Bible was redacted by a nomadic desert tribe with a bronze age understanding of the world. And the stories of the early part of the Bible most certainly are myths. There is no reasonable reason for any thinking person to believe in a literal six-day creation, a Garden of Eden or any of that clearly mythical stuff. But that doesn’t make the underlying message of those tall tales (God created the world for man, etc etc) false.
Yes. I hate doctors and dentists. They use needles. I hate needles. They hurt.
