::waves hand:: JMan, you do not find that odd. 
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Still you may have a point - if only in the sense that the Republic had to fall, in order to rise again, reinvigorated. Sort of like the phoenix, with the Empire playing the part of the pyre.
This does not excuse Palpatine and co.; it only lets Lucas show us that the galaxy is actually better off at the end of the story than at the beginning. You know, make the whole thing worth it.
P.S. I’ve always been amused at the term “Tuscan Raiders”. In my imagination, I see bands of roving Florentines, marauding across the Italian countryside. Possibly on Vespas.
Just curious - what’s the origin of “Tuscan Raiders”? I remember knowing that Sand People were called Tuscan Raiders before TPM, but I can’t recall any dialog from the earlier movies in which they were refferred to as such. Which means that now I have no idea why I already knew they were called “Tuscan Raiders” - is that what the labeling on the action figure packages called them? I never read any of the books, so that wouldn’t be how I knew that…
That’s pretty funny…but you do know it’s really “Tusken” (as in “with tusks”), right?
Yeah, I know. It just amuses me to think of them actually being from Tuscany.
Right, carry on then!
Well there is the whole wiping out of the Jedi thing :D.
Anyone else thought it cool at the end of the movie, when the clones were being loaded onto ships with Palpatine looking over them… and the ‘Imperial March’ started playing :D.
I’ve now seen the movie twice, and remembered a couple of the other little things I noticed:
When Dooku flies off to his cave on that little flying thing, he reminded me of Serpentor from GI Joe.
Wouldn’t falling onto sand and rolling around several times have been really painful in light of the huge gaping slashes across Amidala’s back?
If Palpatine and Dooku are playing both sides and getting them to go to war, why did they erase Kamino from the archives? Did they plan on the Jedi tracking Jango down, at the right time, keeping the whole project secret throughout its duration until needed?
They said Syphodias died about ten years before. Wouldn’t that be about the time of TPM? Coincidence?
It’s getting harder to think of Master Yoda as being so incredibly wise when we all know that the whole Republic collapses on his watch.
I really really want my own clone army. I promise not to use it for evil.
Yoda’s style of talking is oddly appropriate to giving military orders, where the direct object often precedes the verb.
What the heck are the Trade Federation and the rest of the separatists doing designing a Death Star. Considering that the Republic has no army during the whole design phase of the project, it seems kind of overkill.
Apparently, as with the Empire, occupational safety was not much of a concern in the Republic. I mean, shouldn’t it be pretty obvious that retracting walkways should remain open if there’s someone on them? And have handrails?
Maybe Yoda’s native language is Latin.
I dunno about that. It would have been one thing to organize the “We Need Strong Leadership” Party or set up the Palpatine for Chancellor Exploratory Committee. But at this point, the guy’s started, what, two whole wars? All by himself, and for no reason except to pave the way for his rise to absolute power. Seriously, anyone willing to use means that twisted, devious, manipulative, and utterly callous regarding humanoid and non-humanoid life, I don’t think I really care what his “ends” are.
No.
Remember when your mother and I bought you that army of Ravening Mutants?
“Pleeeeeeasse can I have an army of Ravening Mutants” you said “I promise I’ll feed 'em and take 'em for walks, and clean up after them and I won’t use 'em for evil! I promise! Plleeeeaaase!” But…
Who had to take them for a walk?
Who had to feed and water them?
Who had to clean up after them?
Who had to repair the holes in the carpet made by their acid drool?
And you used your army of Ravening Mutants to terrorize the country AND you went on a rampage of evil AND you stayed out after curfew.
I’m sorry, young man. Until you show that you can care for your armies, and that you can use them responsibly, no more armies for you!
Papa Fenris
All I know is that I’m going to start referring to him as the Eddie Gaedel of the Jedi. The reason he didn’t get killed by Dooku is because he has a non-existant strikezone.
I just saw it last night, and I liked it, overall:
-Anakin: very much a whiny teenager, though one who is called “Annie” by everybody and has to control his emotions, be around an attractive young Senator who wears revealing clothes, learn to control the Force, AND has Palpatine whispering to him, on top of worrying about his mother? No wonder he’s gonna go evil!
-Padme: The love sequences were groaners to me, though she was nice to look at. Didn’t do her best work here.
-Obi Wan: Did a good job. Wonder where he picks up “Ben”?
-Yoda: Very fun, but too short. I thought he strained too much in moving the things Dooku threw at him.
-Dooku: did a fine job, as did Palpatine. It’s good to see that Christopher Lee is finally getting some quality work.
-Everybody else: no complaints here
Perhaps the cloners didn’t have such good stuff to use the second time around and that’s why the later stormtroopers were such terrible shots?
And if Yoda was so good with the Force, why not just move Dooku instead of fighting him? You don’t see people moving people with it, except Darth later.Was that something he thought up on his own? Droids, yes. But not people.
I wonder if Dooku/Tyrannus knows what kind of job security the Sith have? It’s not very good; either kill your master or be replaced. I don’t think there’s much chance of him getting the drop on Palpatine.
Sam, Darth Maul force-moved Obi-Wan at the end of TPM. I’m guessing that you have to catch a Jedi off-guard to do that.
I assume (Yeah, Yeah Ass-U Me I know) The reason that Yoda didn’t use the Force to move Dooku, was because Dooku could deflect the Force, but it’s harder to deflect a big heavy lump.
Well I think that saw in the future that Obi-Wan would discover it, and that the erasing of Kamino from the archives would make him even more suspicious of everything and really, really want to see where it was :D.
Or, the other explination, is that they didn’t see that in the future, and basically erased Kamino so their clone army would remain secret and so the drones could kill the Jedi (which the Sith would have to do anyway), and then the clone army could destroy the drones… making the rebellion and the Jedi dissapear at once.
I’m thinking that they thought Maul was the Lord. And that he was Syphodias.
It would give the seperatists a lot of power. They had to anticipate that the Republic would form an army. With a Death Star, they’d be invunerable (basically) and then the Republic would have to give in.
It was one of those few scenes that actually elicited a gasp from me :D.
I’ll side along with this. I think that the Jedi use their database to guide their “seeing”. If it’s not in the database, they can’t see the planet’s future, etc.
Well, actually, I think part of the point is that “ends justifying means” is a rather evil philosophy. Lucas isn’t even trying to conceal the World War II references. Palpatine is “Chancellor” – that was Hitler’s title when he was elected. He uses fear to get himself “emergency powers,” as Hitler did.
Palpatine is guilty of war crimes, in the extreme. How many people died on Alderaan? How many people die during his rise to power? And someone else mentioned the Gunguns.
Basically, the story is an argument for democracy over dictatorship. Palpatine uses the rhetoric of fascists. Strong leaders. Quick, decisive action. He creates fear and agitates conflicts, turns people against one another. He’s consciously engineering escalating violence. That qualifies as evil in my book.
My theory? She’s got Force potential. They should’ve thrown her a lightsaber, when they threw new ones to Obi and Ani. 
Of course, she’s “too old” to train even if that’s right. :rolleyes:
Stop right there. Alderaan isn’t a military base, or a spaceyard, or an industrial region, but an ENTIRE GODDAMN PLANET with billions of people on it, most of whom are probably civilians. This isn’t like nuking Hiroshima, it’s like sinking all of Japan into the ocean.