How do I keep from getting stuck in the "acquaintance zone"?

I don’t believe he was rejected solely because of his height. I believe he was rejected overwhelmingly because he’s a whiny insecure man, which is extremely unattractive to anyone.

You don’t get to tell people why they should be attracted to you. Life isn’t a board game where you get to stack up your unsuccessful writing experience and unsuccessful music experience against the woman’s cup size and see who wins.

Apparently women have met this guy and decided he is whiny and insecure and boring. They don’t owe him some extra consideration just because he thinks he’s handsome.

Honestly, at one time or another I’m sure almost everyone has been disappointed that a trait they value highly in themselves didn’t appeal to a potential mate. Rejection hurts. People who aren’t whiny mopes get over it and move on with their life.

Okay, but what would you do if you were in his shoes?

Also, you say he was rejected because he’s a whiny, insecure man, but as we concluded, he was onky whining after all those rejections. He wasn’t whining at the time of those rejections. Then again, if there was some other problem that they were picking up on like being needy, desperate, not being himself or “the nice guy” (and these are all the other problems I personally have), or something else, then it would make sense. Because there is little information on how he was talking to women and these issues could very well be the reason he was getting rejected.

Oh wait, never mind. You kind of answered that at the end of your post.

No, you claim he was only whining because of those rejections. I am positive that wasn’t the case.

So many people have tried to explain this to you, but short people are not the only people with insecurities. In fact, everyone has them. Everyone gets rejected sometime. Whiny people wallow in it and blame women for not seeing all their great qualities. Most of us get over ourselves as best we can and keep trying.

You need to get yourself some confidence.

Please give this interview a listen and maybe pick up one of his books afterwards.

The guy being interviewed is named Sean Stephenson. He is one of the most confident people you will find. He is 3 feet tall, in a wheelchair and has brittle bone disease, yet he doesn’t let him keep himself back. The youtube clip is about an hour and a half, but I think you may find a lot of what he says helpful.

I’m probably not the first to post this in this thread, but I felt it needed a little Randy Newman all the same.

Short People got no reason to live.

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin’ great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

That can only be answered with a little Joe Jackson…

***Pretty women out walking with gorillas down my street
From my window I’m staring while my coffee grows cold
Look over there! Where?
There’s a lady that I used to know
She’s married now or engaged or something
so I am told

Is she really going out with him?
Is she really gonna take him home tonight?
Is she really going out with him?
Cause if my eyes don’t deceive me
Theres something going wrong around here…round here***

For what it’s worth, nope. I’m average height (5’9"), thin, and people generally tell me I’m above-average in the looks department. None of that mattered, because I lacked the confidence to capitalize on any of it. That’s what you should take away from this.

@R3d

Don’t get too caught up in all of this, especially the harsh criticism you’ve been handed in this thread.

Neo-Calredic is giving you great advice! Find some self confidence as soon as possible.

You are 16, and that alone is potentially worth 10 of millions of dollars if not more.

Don’t psyche yourself out and not pursue happiness because of some High School bullshit.

You can compensate for being 5’3 very easily, and don’t forget to kick ass with your grades and start lining up a university to go to, and a career.

There are fortunes to be made, love to be found, and love to be lost.

Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and frigging go for it!

I read most of this thread but not all of it, so I apologize for any repetition of previous posts.

I’m a 17 year old girl going into my final year of high school, and I’ve been single through all of it. Personally I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything by not having a boyfriend. It’s not a requirement to have a S.O. while in high school. Many people don’t; it’s just that you hear more about the people who do. Many high schoolers think that by having a significant other they are somehow worth more or confirming that they are lovable or attractive, etc… There’s a lot more to it than that. The time and the person have to be right. Just because that hasn’t happened yet does not by any means indicate that it won’t happen.

Being desperate for friends or a girlfriend puts too much pressure on you and on the people you are talking to. This could push them away or make you feel awkward in talking to them. Try going into the conversation with absolutely no expectations - of yourself or them. When you ask questions, they should be genuine - even if that’s just asking for a ruler because you actually need one, or asking what the pin on their backpack means because you just don’t know. If something comes of it - whether that’s one conversation, or hanging out at lunch sometime, or whatever - doesn’t matter to the first stuff you say to the person. It’s not relevant, and it’s not helpful, to think past a simple sentence or two. You’re putting too much pressure on yourself from the sounds of it, and wrapping up your self-worth in whether or not you have a girlfriend.

It sounds like you could benefit from some sociable after-school activities or clubs. Try drama club, debate club, leadership, or toastmasters. If you can, summer camps are great opportunities to boost your confidence by starting fresh and making some new friends - everyone at summer camp has nobody that they know yet, so it’s an even playing field. Maybe you just need a change of scenery or a new activity to try out. That said, don’t go into it expecting a summer fling or lifelong friends. Allow things to unfold naturally. Most of that stuff happens when you least expect it.

Similarly, there’s a saying that life happens when you’re making other plans. So try focusing on finding things that interest you, and other people will probably become more interested in you. If those things also happen to mean that you have a neat party trick or dance move that will give other people a conversation starter, so much the better, but what matters is that you can distract yourself from feelings of loneliness or need for external confirmation.

I’m a fairly confident person, and good-looking, intelligent, and interesting. And no, I don’t include that vaguely egotistical list in every post - I am merely pointing out that there’s nothing inherently wrong with me that would explain me not having friends and/or being single. But I went the majority of last year with very few friends at my school. I know how easy it is to feel sorry for yourself and blame other people or your environment, or alternatively to think that it means there is something wrong with you. But once you put the external obstacles - where you live or who goes to your school - down as just tough luck, and start thinking of yourself as a worthwhile person to get to know, the whole ‘making friends’ thing does get easier.

Guys have the responsibility to realize that girls/women are autonomous people with our own interests, who neither need nor necessarily want to date any given guy, and do not need any excuses for this. Having a girlfriend is not a box to check off or a rite of passage. It is linking yourself with another actual person, who has flaws and habits and aspirations. When the situation is right I’m sure you will find a girlfriend. You sounds like a fine guy and having a girlfriend is not an unreasonable aspiration, but it isn’t something that you are owed and it isn’t something that can be rushed.

No girl likes to feel like every conversation is an interview. If you ask questions, make them relevant. Don’t interrupt her conversations, or talk to her every single day when you don’t know her well. Just smile or give a little wave when you see your crush in the corridors of school. Don’t try cheesy pickup lines or hitting on her (sounds like you already know that). Try keeping the conversation less personal, but not boring - i.e., make jokes about the cafeteria food/a difficult class/a TV show. Keep the compliments low-key and subtle if you can. Don’t seize on every single opportunity to talk to her, and don’t get into (or pretend to be into) all of her interests, or she may get creeped out. Just be a decent person but be natural (hopefully I’m wording this right).

At this age, I know, it’s easy for you or I to think that because something hasn’t happened yet it will never happen. But there are lots of people on here, with a few more years of experience, saying to take your foot off the gas and just give yourself, and the people you’re talking to, a little time. Some really good advice has been given on here already but as a teenage girl myself I wanted to add my 2 cents’ worth.

Btw, lots of girls dig short guys. People with much worse setbacks have had lots of fulfilling relationships.

dating has always been so mentally draining which is why most rather just have a FWB

Great advice straight from the horse’s mouth. SO much more useful than a Youtube clip of some lonely guy.

Touchdown, Cheerleader Dropout!!!
I’d say that much louder, but for some reason the settings won’t let me yell.

^Thanks to you both for the nice feedback! I don’t post often on these boards but that kind of response is very encouraging :slight_smile:

I concur. Great advice and great post.

Yeah - don’t let posters getting your name wrong put you off… (so sorry about that!)

I’ll admit - I had to check your profile because your eloquent post made it hard for me believe you’re 17. For that, Cheerleading Dropout, a thousand apologies. And thanks for giving the cynic in me a slap upside the head.

So please, post as much as living your life allows.

Kudos, too, Attack from the 3rd dimension (wherever you are) - y’ done good.

What do you know? I am actually in that situation now. There’s a cute girl in my English class that knows my name but we haven’t talked that I am interested in dating. So would it be okay to just go up to her and immediately ask her out in the manner dracoi illustrated? I actually already asked one girl out in another one of my classes but by chance we were working in the same group for a couple days and had a few brief interactions with her. With the girl in my English class, she sits at the opposite side of the classroom and never had any reason to interact with each other.

Anyway, with the other girl, she turned me down, but I am cool with that. I instantly moved on and in fact felt much happier and better about myself than I was before. I find that the anticipation is the worst part of asking a girl out, not rejection. Getting turned down doesn’t do anything to my confidence - wimping out and going home without having asked out said girl does. Though, it also depends on who turned me down. If it’s a girl that I simply think is attractive but don’t actually have a crush on her (like with the one I just asked out recently), I move on swiftly. If it’s a long-time crush that I am fantasizing about in my bedroom and therefore emotionally invest in, then a couple days of slight unhappiness may ensue. I mean a crush is essentially a brief but intense infatuation for someone so getting turned down there does hurt a little for a bit. Either way, I still feel better just because I made the move and am able to get on with my life without any “what if” thoughts.

Anyway, I got a message from some guy telling me that he heard and honored me for “having balls” but when I asked him how he heard, he said that the word is on the street. However, no one at school said anything to me about it (and I didn’t overhear anyone talking about it). I mention this because this is what I am slightly worried about - getting a negative reputation as the guy who asks a lot of girls out if I continue to take this approach, which I don’t care for in and of itself so much, but I am unsure as to whether that will affect my chances with other girls and whether there’s a limit to how frequently I should ask girls out.

By the way, I am also working on all the other stuff too. I have a couple clubs I have my eyes on and plan on joining when they begin, I am working on self-improvement (structuring my life so I am happy with no SO - getting my good ole life back when I was independently happy), applying to get a little job, and overall being sociable, putting myself out there, and getting out of my comfort zone. choie, I didn’t forget your advice and do try to talk to girls in orchestra that are friendly to me and actually talk to me, just as friends. I also plan to attend school events and possibly some school sporting events this year. Once these things get started (clubs, etc), I will be able to generally better my social life and make some friends (male and female). I don’t know how much I can improve my social situation, but I’ll do the best I can, keeping in mind that it’s not the end of the world since I am out of here in less than two years anyway. Right now, all I can do is try to be sociable and ask any girls out that I am interested in (which is what I am doing).

Insecurities-wise, I seemed to have let go of that and I still may feel insecure on the inside at times and those negative thoughts sometimes do enter my head, but I am doing a much better job of dealing with them now it seems.

Clarifications:

I may potentially be asking girls out but that doesn’t mean I am willing to enter a relationship with anyone that I am physically attracted to (at least not anymore). Going on a first date =/= being in a relationship. But it basically lets me know which girls I am in interested are potentially interested as well, straight-up. Sure, the initial interest may be based on looks for the most part, but that’s why I am asking them out - so I can see if there’s something past looks. It’s also not possible really to get to know someone when all you get are a few minutes of passing periods in which most people are usually in a rush or with their friends and that cute girl is in one of my classes sitting at the opposite side of the room. As someone said on the first page, getting to know her would be much easier done on a first date in this situation.

To some of you previously accusing me of seeing girls as sex objects and that being the only thing I am interested in: yeah, I would love sex, but to me that’s only one great aspect of a relationship that I can live without if say a girl is waiting until marriage or isn’t ready (personally, I myself don’t want to have sex until after exclusivity in a relationship). Like to me, that isn’t a dealbreaker - I can be satisfied in a relationship without sex. I am in it for the romance and emotional [and physical that isn’t sex (i.e. holding hands/cuddling/kissing/making out)] intimacy more. I know I said somewhat otherwise in one of my older posts, but I just said that in the heat of the discussion (or maybe my opinions really did change, though I have always been in love with romance and relationships ever since I was capable of romantic and sexual attraction) and honestly now I don’t care so much about whether I get laid by 25 or whatever I said before. That said, reasonable physical chemistry is necessary in a romantic relationship.

And Hentor_St_Clare, I am also willing and want to give in a relationship. You know, make her happy, do romantic things for her, take her out, be there for her in times of difficulty, etc. And I actually would want to - I am not just listing these for the sake of answering your question. This reminds me of one of my mother’s quotes, “Make someone else happy and you’ll be even happier.” She’s right. I like it when people are happy as a result of me helping them out or doing something for them. It’s a nice feeling. That’s another reason why I want a relationship.

Cheerleading Dropout, I didn’t miss your post. Good tips and advice.

There’s nothing wrong with asking more than a few girls out, but you need to space it accordingly. If you are asking out a different girl every day, you’re gonna get a reputation and will seem insincere with your feelings.

You are doing exactly the right things. And if, in the course of your life, you happen to spot someone you are attracted to, ask her out. Don’t worry about what other guys tell you - the chances are too high that they are upset because you are putting yourself out there and doing something they are scared to do.

And keep in mind that practically everybody else feels exactly like you do about something, at least some of the time.

And Cheerleading Dropout - how you doing?

:smiley:

Regards,
Shodan

So is it fine to just walk up to them if you never get the chance to interact with them in your class or whatever (or even if you did), maybe ask them a question (“How’s it going?” if nothing else comes to mind) or two, and then compliment their appearance and say something like (usually I’ll just say whatever is on my mind, but this more or less), “You wanna go out for [insert activity here] this coming weekend?”

I mean that’s really all I’ll probably get time for anyway between classes and I think this is what dracoi suggested anyway.