Humour me with advice or insight into this stupid situation (long...)

Here’s the story. I’m going overseas on a student exchange next year (leaving in January). A few months ago I broke up with my boyfriend of the last 3 years. The break-up was inspired largely by my plans to leave. First relationship, didn’t want to commit to a long-distance relationship, I was ready to try new things blah blah.

So, one of the new things I was ready to try came in the form of this fellow named B. We met in July and hit it off in one of those antagonistic, giving-each-other-shit sort of friendships. We were also pretty attracted to each other.

One night awhile ago (while I was still with my boyfriend) B and I met up in town. B ended up spending the whole evening with me and my friends, with the two of us keep hanging out long after the others left for the night. We found ourselves at daybreak with a bottle of wine, talking and ‘cuddling’. Things were really nice and we spent the night and morning together. We were affectionate and playful but didn’t kiss or otherwise do any activities that would cross clear boundaries.

I was pretty into B at this stage and knew I would be seeing him soon again at another gathering in town. I had also made up my mind to break up with the boyfriend, and just needed to decide when to do it. Made the (misguided?) decision to leave it until after the gathering where I’d see B. I figured that if I were single and available, B and I would hook up. While I had every intention of going after B once I was single, I really enjoyed our chemistry and listened to more experienced friends who suggested that if I made it easy we would probably just hook up once and then he’d lose interest.

So. Second night together, and once the night comes to an end and we are free of the rest of the crowd, we become physically affectionate again and both of us plan with minimal pretense to sleep in the same bed. Yeah, this is stupid of me. We still haven’t actually kissed or ‘done anything’ but it’s fairly obvious that we’re both very interested in doing so.

While we are sitting on the couch flirting and joking around, B’s hands wandering further afield than before, I make some comment about how what he was doing was ok because it was above my clothing. However, once we are in bed in the dark, it becomes obvious how good things can still feel through clothing. Where what we were previously doing was, for me, a slow scuffing over of the acceptable line in the sand, it now feels that to let this continue would be taking a flying leap over that line. I’m not prepared to do that while I still technically have a boyfriend. So, I stop B’s hands, but this is less of a clear-cut change in pace and more of a continual back and forth negotiaton that starts to annoy both of us. Unlike the first night, where the mood was exciting and fun, the focus of this night becomes on what we’re *not *doing. Also, now B is not really in the mood to backtrack to the fun teasing-and-cuddling thing.

After this point, I don’t see B for ages. I break up with my boyfriend. Try to arrange to catch up with B but he either happens to busy on each suggested occasion or is trying to avoid me. I know we left on a bad note but I feel like we just need to get it out of systems, have sex and start afresh. In the meantime I fall into this intimate friendship/couply situation with another guy (C ) but we ultimately decide not to go there. I don’t feel anywhere near the physical chemistry with C as I did with B.

Now, C, who was a big source of emotional support immediately after the breakup, has now distanced himself from me and without him as my go-to guy it’s now really hitting me that I’m single. B’s apparent lack of initiative/interest in seeing me means that he has become this unattainable, mysterious thing in my head.

The problem is that I am – and I don’t know how else to put this! – really horny for B. It’s ridiculous, because I haven’t seen him for so long, so my feelings are somewhat disproportionate to what they should be. I recently texted B a long-winded, chatty message making it clear that I really wanted to see him again.
He replied saying that he was flat out with exams at the moment but that we could catch up after that sometime. Not sure if that is (another?) blow-off, if he just wants to keep his options open or if he actually plans to see me after that. I am the kind of person who really likes having things set so I would really rather hear a flat-out no rather than this in between stuff, particularly given my wish to snap out of this pathetic mental tendency of thinking about him all the time. My desire to be single and meet new guys was not exactly a desire to become obsessed with one guy and compare all others to him.

Other things:

  • Although he was confident to the point of cocky and physically sure of himself with me, I don’t think B actually has much experience with girls.

  • Even when I knew he was interested, B rarely initated social gatherings but was more likely to decide at the last minute to come along to events. From what I’ve seen he is impulsive by nature.

  • If ‘emotionally gushy’ was at one end of the spectrum, I think B would be on the other end. I wouldn’t be surprised if the way he acted with me on the first night was uncharacteristically open and sweet. Unfortunately I think I trampled all over that, perhaps taking our ‘antagonistic’ relationship too far.

  • What I intended as teasing out of affection (particularly on the second night) he seemed to take quite personally. So, you can probably assume B felt rejected and annoyed when we last saw each other.

  • He was more physically into it than I was, or at least expressed it more than I did, when we were together. I guess I felt that enjoying things passively was less like cheating on my boyfriend than actively doing things to B would have been. But, now, all I want is to… do things to B! I do have enough of a sense of social preservation, however, to keep me from blatantly begging a guy to let me suck his dick when he has not expressed any interest in seeing me…

Anyone who’s read this far:

  • Tell me: in your knowledgeable opinion, what is going on in his mind?

  • More to the point, tell me: how I can convince him to want to see me again? People have described B as socially awkward, but he surely possesses 1. A memory; 2. An imagination; and 3. The ability to pick up a phone. So, I have to conclude that for whatever reason, his memory/imagination aren’t leading him to the same place as mine are. I feel that if we caught up again, the natural course of events would make all this resolve itself. It’s just… getting to that point that is the problem.

  • Alternatively: how can I get him out of my mind? What works, for getting over a little mental obsession?

I used to be involved with a guy like this, and it turned out to be indicative of his general nature. He hated committing to anything, always holding back in case something better came along. Not a good sign.

I think this guy had made it pretty clear that he’s no longer interested. Stop trying to hook up with him again and move on. I know what it’s like to have that kind of chemistry with someone but honestly the best way to get over it is to just stop seeing him. You may think that having sex with him once will help you get over it but trust me, it’ll make things worse. I’ve been there.

Thanks HazelNutCoffee. It helps to hear a flat out ‘he’s not interested!’ :slight_smile: It’s not that I think that sleeping together once will help me get over it - it’s more that I think doing that (whether once or multiple times!) would make both of us happy and then there would be no need to ‘get over it’. But I take your point.

Guy here.
B is ignoring your calls now because he thinks you are an enormous cock-tease. Which you definitely were, based on your story. I’m pretty sure you know this to be true, but just in case I’ll recap what happened, with what he was thinking:

It’s clear that after night one you’re into him. Going into night two, he’s probably hoping for the best.
You meet and talk at the party: “Sweet! She’s here! We’re still hitting it off!”
The party starts thinning out: “Still hanging out, things are looking good!”
You let him feel your boobs over your shirt: “Fucking A! This is going to be awesome!”
You come up with some BS excuse to end up in the same bed: “Yes yes yes thank you God yes yes yes!!!”
…You start to pull away, then give in, then let him touch your boob again, then tell him to stop: “WTF? What’s going on? This was going so well. Oh. Fuck…”
Speaking for my gender, that’s not the kind of experience guys like to go through twice.

I don’t judge you for being a tease, I actually admire the willpower it takes. As for the pseudo-cheating I think there’s often enough ambiguity in the last week or so of a fizzling relationship to justify behavior that would otherwise be considered naughty. Sometimes a little fooling around is what’s needed to catalyze an overdue breakup. As for your future chances with B:

It’s possible he was so turned off by Night 2 that you are labeled as a crazy/issue-laden/blue balls-dealing girl, in which case he’s likely said “I don’t need this bullshit” (guys call frustration “bullshit”) and has resolved to forget you and move on. Then you’re SOL.

…But it’s also possible that he’s just really disappointed and confused about how the night went, but is still interested in you on some level. He’s merely avoiding you because it’s easier than confronting the awkwardness that might happen if/when you meet. However, those stay-up-all-night together experiences tend to make really strong impressions, so I’d say you have some hope. I would “bump into” him or arrange a meeting and come clean. Do this in person, so he won’t be able to squirm away easily. Say “Hey, I wanted to apologize about the other night, I know I was sending mixed signals, but I was in the midst of a breakup and wasn’t sure how to act.” Tell him you really liked hanging out, that you “had fun” (he’ll know what you mean) and that you’d like a second chance. The ensuing conversation should put the matter to bed, so to speak.

If all else fails, begging to es his dee could easily turn out very well for both of you…

B was never looking for anything other than to get laid in the first place. He was never interested in a relationship, and now he’s not even interested in getting laid.

Plus, I thought you were going overseas anyway, and that’s why you broke up with your boyfriend. Now all of a sudden you DO want a realtionship?

it sounds like you broke up with your boyfriend because you wanted to chase after this other guy (and going overseas was a convenient excuse), and now this guy isn’t interested. Those are the breaks. There was never anything there besides in your imagination anyway, so it’s time to move on.

The best way to get him out of your mind will be when you go overseas and get into a new environment. You’ll probably find yourself think about your ex more than about B in the next few months, at least until you hook up with D, E and F.

Are you one of those girls who is never without a boyfriend? That you’d rather be with anyone than be alone? If you are, I’d suggest you use this opportunity to get more comfortable with yourself - it’ll be good for you in the long run.

If you aren’t, I’d have to agree with Dio - B was looking for fun sexy time. It sounds like he’s brushing you off - you want to meet new guys, so go meet them.

If he’s not that experienced with relationships, then you’re probably in the ‘psycho’ category rather than ‘things are lookin sweet’ category.

Or what wheresmymind said.

Hahahaha. wheresmymind, I totally agree with you. Either option (him resolving to step away from the crazy girl, or him being disappointed and wanting to avoid an awkard conversation) is highly likely. And it was below-the-waist-above-the-clothing stuff, so cocktease is definitely the word :confused:

This is exactly what I want to do, except we don’t really have a mutual friendship group in which we would ‘bump into’ each other, and he’s either resolved to move on/avoiding the awkwardness/holding back in case something better comes along, so my attempts to arrange a meeting haven’t been successful.

Your version of the conversation we should have sounds perfect, unfortunately I think I have already gone into communication overkill by trying to contact him when he hasn’t really been responsive, so more blah blah from my direction may just irritate him. What do you think?

This is what I should have said straight away afterwards but I think it’s probably too late now.

sigh Ah well, shit happens!

** Diogenes**, I… don’t want a relationship, as such. In fact, I think this would be a good time to have a clear this-is-not-going-to-become-a-relationship, friends-with-benefits (or whatever you want a call it) thing since we both know there is only a short timeframe before I leave. But you could easily argue that such an arrangement would not be a good/realistic idea even if we were both up for it.

Cat Whisperer, I know B was looking for fun sexy time, and that’s what I guess I am looking for now. It would in a way be easier if I was happy to be with anyone than be alone, because I probably could be with some other random if I thought it would help, heh. It’s more like, I am turning down opportunities to be with other people because they’re not B, and now I’m kind of down about how it’s all worked out. I recognise is such a pathetic mindset that I need to either resolve the situation or snap out of it. At least this thread is helping a bit with the latter :slight_smile:

Dio and Cat are correct. And so am I. You can tell because Slit is agreeing with me in my signature.

Also: You were willing to cuddle with and hit first and second base with B but you didn’t want him to fondle you under your clothes because “well, THAT would be cheating!” ? Sorry but that cracked me up.

But seriously, it looks like B just wanted to fuck you. You said in your most recent post that you aren’t interested in a relationship and just want to bone him so you might want to tell him that because from what I’ve read it sounds like the reason he might be brushing you off is because you gave him a hassle when all he wanted was sex. Which should be perfect considering what you said.

But really, even despite you saying that all you want is sex, it sounds like you’re crushing hard on him and fucking him [del]might[/del] will absolutely just make things worse.

Get over him. There’s enough commitment-phobic, impulsive, fun-loving guys out there. Have fun at your semester abroad and forget him. Hook up with some cute foreigners. Go to the clubs. Flirt. Dance. Have fun.

I used to do things like this. I would fool around with guys, then flake. I would flirt with guys while in the end of a fizzling relationship, then feel guilty about it. It’s part of being young. It’s part of testing out the waters of dating. Things like this will happen. Don’t beat yourself up about it, don’t dwell on it. It happens, move on.

B’s thoughts that night and now: This bitch will never put out, she’s still stuck on A. She’s a tease.

Solution: Tell B you’re over A and realize you were not ready for what you initiated back then. I’m so sorry can we start again and forget the past problem.