The nature of the information is absolutely key. Do you really think that if Faye found out that Bubbles knew something minor like ‘Claire thinks penguins are cute’ but didn’t think it was worth passing on, that it would spark the same conflict as if Bubbles had a big secret like ‘Claire is actually an experimental Cyborg’?
And it will indicate that Faye is completely off of her rocker if she asks “Why didn’t you ask someone if you could share a secret with me before we were even dating?”. Even the most codependent couples don’t expect their partner to have forseen the relationship before it happened.
I’ma stop you there with an important statement: I didn’t assert that any or all relationships in QC were healthy, and you’re clearly trying to imply that I did.
Not that. But any secret - say Dora told Bubbles she was planning a surprise honeymoon for Tai, and Faye only finds out when Dora announces it at the wedding reception, while making it clear Bubbles was in on it. That could spark the same kind of convo, even though it’s not remotely the same kind of info.
Naah, the expectation would be that once they started dating, Bubbles would have asked Claire for permission to tell then. No prescience required.
Like I said, this is absurdly over the top demanding, controlling, and overbearing even for Faye if she considers it minor information. And if Faye considers it major information, then like Miller said it indicates she has issues with transgender people, which is contrary to the previous direction the strip has taken.
And I’m directly stating that what you are implying is completely incorrect.
Well, while we the readers know when Claire told Bubbles (strip 3337, sometime in 2016, well before Bubbles & Faye started dating, and, in fact, before the entire memory encryption/deletion plot line), there’s no indication that Faye does. So given her rather poor impulse control and decision making skills, it’s at least possible she’ll assume it happened after they started dating, and wonder why Bubbles didn’t ask if she could share the info. Since, for the umpteenth time, Faye’s immediate reaction was to ask if she could share the info with Bubbles.
So why bring up your opinion of what people in healthy relationships do, if you’re freely admitting Faye doesn’t have a history of healthy relationships?
Has Faye had that many messed up relationships? Before she hooked up with Bubbles, the only relationship I remember seeing her in was with Sven, and while that didn’t work out in the end, I don’t remember it being all that terrible, until Sven fucked it up. Am I forgetting some other major relationship drama featuring Faye?
There was Angus. They dated for a few years (real time), he got a job as a writer on Conan or Letterman or something, and was going to have to move to NYC. He asked her to move with him. Instead of agreeing, or trying long distance, or anything, she broke up with him on the spot. And started drinking a lot. On the job. Leading to her firing from Coffee of Doom.
“Why didn’t you ask if you could share this?” “It was before we were together” “Oh, lol” at best makes a one-off throwaway comic, and certainly doesn’t sustain a “Faye-Bubbles fight because bubbles knew and didn’t tell Faye”. I don’t see any route to an actual fight in there, just a brief discussion.
No one is disputing that, so unnecessarily repeating it over and over while complaining that you’re repeating it seems a bit silly.
I brought it up because it was information that I wished to convey in the context of the conversation.
He’s not so much trying it with Claire so much as having been doing it with Claire since he revealed she was trans. The way Marten reacted, the way he responded when he saw her naked, the way no one makes a big deal out of it, the way even the asshole characters like Pintsize consider it something not to talk about. Hell, even the part where he’s said he’ll never say what her genital situation is because it’s no one’s business.
BTW, I also find it funny to see you call Claire boring. I’m used to the old subreddit where they HATE her, saying she’s controlling (of Marten), a busybody who butts into other people’s business, has boundary issues, is selfish with her anxiety, and needs to face some sort of comeuppance rather than always having everything going her way.
The new subreddit is made up of the people who defend her, or like her because they see themselves in her. But I’ve never encountered anyone calling her boring before.
I don’t agree (I’m in the identify with her camp), but it’s kinda refreshing.
And I don’t agree that Faye’s relationship with Sven wasn’t “all that terrible”. It started with a drunken hookup with her best friend’s sleazy womanizing brother who she loathed. Followed by morning panic, then a sober hookup. Then a trip to her therapist. Followed by a few more hookups, Sven treating Faye poorly and her continuing to come back because, in her words: “I’m a bitch to deal with too, so it’s OK. We deserve each other.”, and Faye stating she’s only in it for the sex. Then being completely freaked out and shocked when Sven slept with another woman.
As far as I can tell, her whole personality is “Tee-hee, I’m such a dork” and that’s about it. I have no actual issue with how Jeph handles the trans thing, I was just saying that (from my perspective) if it were part of a more interesting character then you could say “This character did this and that and this other thing and does this… also, she’s trans” but, with Claire, it feels (again, to me) like you might as well talk about her being trans because there’s only so much mileage to be gotten out of “likes stupid puns and was once she was worried about a test.”
Even the stuff you mention seems to be about her interacting with others and not really anything interesting about Claire herself.
I also find her pretty boring. I agree that she is a selfish busybody who is controlling about Marten and butts into other people’s business, but it’s just not that interesting. It doesn’t help a lot of the women in the strip are pushy and selfish (especially when it comes to Marten), it really seems to be about the author’s life experience, so these traits don’t even stand out that much. I find the puns amusing, but they don’t need her to happen, and beyond that she’s just kind of bland, and I know the author isn’t going to have her do anything especially bad or have anything especially bad happen to her (at least for more than a single strip).
Yeah, I guess I never found her especially pushy but probably because 95% of her interactions are with Marten and every woman in Marten’s life walks all over him anyway.