I’ve heard that and like that saying.
[hijack/]When I mentioned to my friend to get a pre-nup if she married him, she said that no way is she going to get married. So bullet dodged. For now.[/back to the show]
You saved me a whole bunch of typing - this is it, in a nutshell.
I was afraid of that. She would never have ended up in this situation if he weren’t charming. Although it’s entirely possible that her soon-to-be-ex husband is less naive and innocent than many of us are assuming.
Just please be as circumspect as possible in your support of all this, and make up your mind to be there for her if it all falls apart.
If I’m right in my guess about this guy, you will soon find yourself liking him best of all the folks in the situation, and strangely supporting him against your friend. Watch for it.
Sorry for the delay, folks. I’m on the west coast.
OK, here goes…
K and P arrive – K hugs me, but P shakes my hand. (Good. I was so afraid he was going to try to hug me.) K’s sister and her sister’s friend join us (the sister’s friend was an unexpected but very welcome addition to the table).
K was glowing; P was quiet at first (I imagine he was trying to gauge the situation). We kept conversation realllllly light for a while (mostly just we four girls talking) and then things got a little more comfortable.
I wasn’t able to get answers to ALL your questions, my friends, but here are the bullet points I do know:
-P had actually flown into town to drive with K as she moved to his state. They left this morning.
-They seemed to be pretty deeply in love. Nothing too demonstrative, but hand holding, thigh touching, etc.
-They acknowledge that the whole situation is weird. P does indeed plan to take a year to move out.
-Mrs. P knows about K (that they’re lovers) but I don’t know if she knows that K is moving to her city. P (shamefacedly) admitted that Mrs. P does not know he was going on this little road trip with K.
-P’s 2 kids know that K is their dad’s “friend” (they’ve never met) but they do not know that they are having an affair.
When P got up at some point to go to the bathroom, I leaned across the table and told K I wouldn’t be a good friend if I didn’t ask her now, is this really what she wants to do? Does she realize there’s a chance this could all fall apart?
K seemed happy that I was concerned, but reassured me that she’s going into this with eyes wide open.
There was no talk about K’s daughter or husband.
My take away: I have no idea if it’s going to work out between the two of them, but they seem very much in love. P was neither charming nor smooth – he seemed like a genuinely nice, intelligent guy. As someone mentioned upthread, I just couldn’t imagine abandoning my children, even if I was super duper duper duper in love with someone in another state–this is where I (and I believe, most of her friends) have simply had to bite our tongues, because K honestly thinks her daughter will come out of this a-ok.
(side note – my parents fought like cats and dogs as I was growing up, and I distinctly recall several times *begging *my mom to leave him. She stayed with him, because she wanted to keep the family together. Now they are miserable old people living together. She won’t leave him now because he’s old and sick.)
I have no idea why Mrs. P is “ok” with this situation, but I don’t know all the facts. I do believe that if P loves K so much, he should be willing to leave his family, just as she did. He is definitely getting the better deal here. He says he’ll leave them eventually, but…you know…no matter how nice the guy is, that could be a lie. But I don’t think that K for a moment suspects it’s a lie. And a year is a long time.
But the good thing is, K is really determined to make a life for herself in this new town. She already has a new job that she’s excited about. And she was so happy that I came to the dinner. I think she really appreciated the support, and that’s the main reason why I wanted to go.
So that’s that. I’m sure I’ll get updates from her, and I wish her the best of luck.
Thanks to all of you for being my sounding board on this. Honestly, my husband doesn’t want to hear about it (and I can imagine it might be tough for him that one of my good friends is having an affair and leaving her husband – perhaps he thinks some of the crazy will rub off on me). And my stomach was in knots yesterday, fretting about the dinner, and talking about all this really helped.
Enabler! 
ETA: read your last post - no good will come of this, for anyone.
OMG. I just spit coffee all over my keyboard! So funny and, I know from personal experience, so true. Thanks for the laugh.
is it telling that i figured “l” was who “p” ended up with after “k”?
i’m glad to read that the dinner went well.
i’m not quite getting why p and his family need a year, while k and her family don’t.
as a cross the i’s and dot the t’s type of person, let me know when your divorce is final, you are set up in your new single life, then perhaps we talk about a relationship. until then you are not available.
Yeah, that was worry that was holding me back on all this too! The handshake rather than the hug was the dealmaker!
Her thighs are also wide open. Hey, somebody had to say it.
Well, that would have been awesomely awkward.
Whoa! Slow down there. Have you thought about what pains in the ass they are lately? This statement makes you seem, well, human, and not like some feral cat in heat.
Maybe Mr & Mrs P are polygamists, and K can join the family! Or more likely, Mrs P isn’t okay with it or doesn’t know.
He has no intention of leaving his family. He is getting K to move across country to a new place where she will be socially dependent on him, having burned all her social bridges before moving.
A man who cheats on his wife (either openly or in secret) with the intention of breaking up his family and breaks up another family, with a child, across the country and convinces the bimbo to move across country to be his mistress is not a nice guy, he is a narcissistic monster.
Kudos to you for not slapping her silly during the entire event or being really judgmental like I’m being. This is about as close to that train wreck as I could possibly get without some sort of really nasty contribution. P and K do not bring out the best in me.
I mean we all have our own ways of seeing things, but what you are describing sounds to me like affection. This is when someone else makes us feel happy. I think of true love as almost the opposite - being willing to tolerate unhappiness for someone else’s benefit. Long-term, I think a willingness to keep promises, endure difficult seasons of life, and work on changing oneself lead to the most profound love relationships. Short term it is easier to follow your heart, live in the moment, and do what makes you happy. And that’s not even to mention the impact on children in all this.
I say, it’s very hard to really love people we have never fought with, disagreed with, or been burdened by. It sounds like your mother truly loves your father, and yourself, whatever other faults she may have.
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Puddleglumm, I appreciate your insight, but assuming that my mother truly loves my father just because she never left him is ridiculous. I grew up with these folks, and there is no love there. There is tolerance. There is familiarity. There is no love. And because I grew up with parents like that (who did not love each other), I thought that’s what all relationships were supposed to be like. Lucky for me, I found a man who was completely opposite from my parents in all ways, and is very loving and demonstrative. I lucked out.
Of course, I should have added the caveat that I only knew two sentences of your parents story. I’m sorry to hear about the lack of warmth and affection in your family growing up - that would certainly be hard and it’s good to know that pattern isn’t being repeated. And I apologize if I came off as presumptuous.
With that said, I do want to insist that whatever emotional problems and relational dysfunctions there may be, someone sticking with and caring for their spouse who is old and sick is a profound act of love.
Wow.
Mrs. P knows he’s cheating on her and he STILL has to lie about it?
Yeahhhhh… that’s why I’m thinking she doesn’t *really *know about it. I suppose only P knows the real answer to that one. And if she doesn’t really know…well, that sucks. I really do wish K and P had both obtained official divorces before beginning a relationship, but those are my wishes, not their, apparently.
More likely that’s infatuation.
Did he share any details of how he going to implement this plan? A year makes no sense as a time frame.
So Mrs. P is not “okay” with their affair, or he would have told her where he was going.
They know.
Both P and K seem quite adept at telling themselves and each other the lies that they want to hear and the lies they think other people want to hear.
He was charming. He may not have been unctuous, but he was smooth for sure. You walked in to the dinner thinking he was a scumbag and you walked out thinking he was a good guy. People who are really good at manipulating others can do it and leave the other person quite sure they haven’t been manipulated.
Sometimes, it’s an ultimate act of revenge.
Ok, guys, bets on how long before the OP has to hear the *"OMG, P is not leaving his wife and I cuckolded my husband and gave up my daughter for him * story?
I say…8 months.
Place your bets.
It’s going to take longer than a year because it won’t be obvious until then.
I’ll add that this could work out. Some acquaintances of mine once went through a very similar situation (even worse, though, was that Mrs. P was dying of cancer at the time). The cheating wife married her P (and got custody of the children) and as far as I know they’re still together (I haven’t bothered to check in a while). K and P are jerks but sometimes even jerks are happy.
I’ve thought a lot about my dad’s eventual funeral – I guarantee you my mom will be dancing on his grave.
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.
At least, if it does work out for K and P, they will be making 2 people miserable instead of four…