I Think DrChuckie Needs His Very Own Thread

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It isn’t that hard to understand, bo989; everybody likes the feeling that they are right about what they think and believe - surely nobody in their right mind would cling to a belief that they knew to be false.

The problem is that it is quite easy to consider the beliefs in which we have invested as absolute*; fundamentalist Christianity can be somewhat predisposed toward this because of nuggets of reasoning like:

Jesus died to save us from sin, if there was another way to save us from sin, Jesus’ death was pointless, therefore it is either false, or it is true and everything else is false

So it is quite an easy progression from ‘I believe this is correct’ to ’ I believe this is correct and if this is correct, anything else must be wrong’.

PLease not that I’m not defending these viewpoints, merely stating my perception of them.

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What if Jesus died to save Christians?

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Well, quite, but a goodly number of Christians will just retort with something about all having fallen short… and nobody comes to the father except…

It is all too easy to fall back on self-reinforcing (ultimately rather circular) systems of belief (all swans are white therefore anything that is not white is not a swan), much easier than it is think and to accept that doubt, uncertainty and subjectivity (subjectiveness?) are just parts of life.

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DrChuckie

If your god has such a hideous temper that he sends people to hell for havin even slightly different beliefs(Like the Nazis!):eek: how can yu believe he wont send you to hell for having the user name DrChuckie?

He may be writing the newest testament that merely has these words

thou shalt not go on to the straight dope web site, register in the forums with the user name DrChuckie and ramble about how bad homosexuals are. If you do, I send you to hell, and i don’t care that you couldn’t possibly know this. I sent all those other people to their eternal damnation without proof of my existence too, and I am so callous that I sent the KKK up here too. So if your a black Christian, at least you get a choice of who you get tortured by.I sent GHANDI to hell.I sent people who couldn’t possibly know about me or my vile beliefs to hell, simply because i don’t like them. I sent my self to hell. What do you think I’ll do to you? We’re gonna have FUN tonight, DrChuckie!

Or, in evilese…

Shehela maiarad nsasta dgariels camaelie ruthy axeral soomaukk addmandas sdfmak addamonnaidannos le gugulll daioscrus. Andacrios. Melum se DrChuckie taron et qum. werda nasamad eskes. astarios, tel quei mak. Zaxam, Qul’Zetor,miharias, el nahs, traistan, curm. Suman. ez dos. Mihan, quek rteOs. As temande, zu queas mi hero. Junu, mi hlokk naer zi quaias te xux. mihhhros, ni xuzzax, kin-de z’acr’ia-zu’te. dle~mu naze al`te’zures. munduna.

Mithros. Nai qu KKK ela tu zet mos. ez qun, Del MoS! ZAI Quela, zai xoru’te! Nai Mal trea, nis dan`sure? M’i-one, sas du nai, ist da na marteos. Ma sao ne tao, samallen dao morte is da xen, furai, neos.

Ser Te, Ghandi. Man, ix nu mants, gar, nuum, Sur Te. Mit, na GaNasdte, lemos Dze, Sur Te. Dwenos, mi Tatzumos, DrChuckie!

Silently hopes I didn’t say “Fuck you” , in some other language…

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Naah, for a start, God would spell Gandhi’s name right.

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Mangetout is correct, I think. It’s hard-wired in humans that they should believe in their own superiority in matters ineffable.

For another example, consider that the number of nations that use their official history classes to teach something to the effect of “we’re a third-rate country, and here’s the list of countries that’s better than us” is approximately zero.

Even North Korea teaches its citizens that it’s the special kingdom between heaven and earth, or some such nonsense. That tells you everything you need to know about this sort of thing.

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Ask for help and it shall be given you, dear. I’d think you must have me on your ignore list except you responded a few days ago to one thing I said. But nothing else. Are yuo allergic to my posts? Is it something I’m wearing?:wink:

Psst … you need someone to help you, not to speak for you.

I think I understand what you’ve been trying to say. I do. And I think Poly and a few others have been able to see what you mean and address that. The thing is that the way your faith system is arranged inside you, I think you’ve been conditioned to believe that everything must be true, else it all needs to be immediately discarded/reworked.

That’s not necessarily true. Many of the things I believe now as a possible polytheist (I’m not going to automatically start believing in Flora and Daniel just from one encounter any more than I believed in God because of one feeling;)) I believed as a Christian. Questioning one aspect of one’s faith doesn’t necessitate pulling out every single thing and not going to sleep until you have it all figured out.

Lemme put it to you this way: if you discover, halfway through the day, that you have a rock in your shoe, do you have to take off your entire wardrobe (including things you aren’t wearing) to remove it? No. You take off your shoe, and maybe your sock, and then you get it out and put the sock and shoe back on and go about your business.

I wish you peace, knowledge and strength:)

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How will I know which shoe to remove first?

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These threads are so fun to read. It reminds me how good most people are. As for the fundies out there you don’t have to worry, I will pray to my demonic sky god to take some pity on your soul. I will get 20 cents on it and be that much closer to the 5 dollar price of admission into heaven. If you don’t want me to pray for you then your soul will rot in eternal damnation. Have a great day. :smiley:

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You might get 20 cents for every prayer, but only “Bob” promises you eternal salvation or triple your money back!

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iampunha:

You’ve reminded me of the old saw about how a farmer hired a hired-hand from three candidates.

[ul][li]Farmer: How far can you walk with a stone in your shoe?[/li][li]Candidate 1: I can walk a mile with a stone in my shoe![/li][li]Farmer: Sorry, fellow. I can’t use you on my farm. So, Candidate 2, how far can you walk with a stone in your shoe?[/li][li]Candidate 2 (who heard the previous exchange): Sir, I can walk FIVE miles with a stone in my shoe.[/li][li]Farmer: Sorry, fellow. I can’t use you either. Candidate 3, how far can you walk with a stone in your shoe?[/li][li]Candidate 3: Sir, I don’t have any idea. If I get a stone in my shoe, I’m stopping to take it out. Then I’m going on my way.[/li][li]Farmer: You’re hired![/ul][/li]
I think there’s a point somewhere in there. Maybe I’ll figure it out. If one of y’all does, tell me!

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I think the point is not to be an idjit and invite pain on yourself, but maybe that’s just my “Martyr? No thanks. Don’t like the health plan” mantra speaking…

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lemme see…
How about "Those without sin cast the first stone?
Or…don’t condemn others without checking your OWn shoe first?
or…don’t be stupid.

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Tracer said

Good point tracer. However my demonic sky god gives me candy. :stuck_out_tongue:

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My namesake had a good take on the martyrdom thing, IMHO – he condemned the idea of seeking out martyrdom during the persecutions, and attempted instead to make peace between himself and his flock on the one hand and the Roman authorities on the other. But when the rubber hit the road and he knew that the choice was standing for what he held dearest and being killed, or turning against his inmost beliefs in order to live, he acted with integrity. God grant that I may have the wisdom and courage to face such an hour if it ever comes (as it well may, and from an unexpected angle)!

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You know, everytime I see iampunha’s username, I immediately hear Helen Reddy singing I am punha, hear me roar …

Now you’ve got that song in my head again, and it’s all your fault. Just for that, I’m putting this rock in my shoe and I’m not gonna take it back out! Hah, that’ll show ya.

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Tracer, rock in shoe – rock on! :smiley:

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You may just find yourself engaging in a peculiar position later on, tracer, when that rock makes you start to favor your other leg and, due to your insomnia, you find yourself deep in thought and think to yourself “If I just walk a little more, I know I’ll find the answer”.

You will have been engaging in circular reasoning*:wink:

*Favoring one side of one’s body when walking is a good way to slowly go in a circle.

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can we all save up to buy DrChuckie a gigantic wooden spoon, do you think?

he needs one to aid with the stirring.

My religion is one of love, and it’s very inclusive.
oh yes, it’s christianity.

and it has a big MYOB thing, about planks and splinters and so on…

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irishgirl: Good tie-in with that old saw about the difference between Heaven & Hell. Remember the bit that in both places everyone has to use the huge spoons to eat; however, in Hell nobody’s getting fed because they can’t manage to feed themselves? In Heaven, everyone’s fed well because they’re using the same kind of spoons to feed each other!