Idle speculation about Trump

If Trump says he won the last election, then he’s claiming that he was elected twice. Therefore, he can’t run again. The only way he can run again if he is willing to say that he wasn’t elected elected twice. He can’t have it both ways.

My idle speculation about Trump is that too many people, both on and off this board, obsess about Trump. I mean, here we are in a crisis where a superpower is invading a nation for pure conquest, and half the posts are weird, off-the-wall stuff about Trump being involved or even responsible.

I think half of the reason he’s still able to stay in the public eye has to do with people on both sides of the political spectrum obsessing about him in one way or another. Just…let…him…go. The dude is old, he’s stupid both from a business perspective and from a political one, and if folks will just stop talking about him he will fade away…or be put in that dustbin of history where failed states and idiot statesmen go when folks stop talking about them.

Biden is taking this tack, with a lapse once in a while.

Problem is, his supporters refuse to let it go, and ignoring them completely (and their claque on FOX) is seen as “insulting,” and “foolish,” though I think it’s fine. I’d like the Dems to have the guts to ignore everything he (and they) say, as they rightly don’t respond to crazy people, people under the age of 7, conspiracy theorists, etc.

I saw Hillary speaking on Maddow last night, and again I couldn’t get over how difficult the American voters found it in 2016 to classify her, and her remarks about the deplorable half of the GOP, as “Not the greatest candidate but immeasurably better qualified than the immature, irrational lunatic running against her.”

Wish I hadn’t recently read the previous issue of the Atlantic, cover story “January 6 was a rehearsal.” Went into WAY too much depth as to the extent to which the GOP has completely committed to Trump, and the actions taken to increase GOP chances in 24.

If the fucker’s still alive, he’s gonna run, and it is gone be UGLY.

A need for logical consistency that has never plagued Trump.

If you don’t get sworn in, there’s no limit to the number of times you can run for POTUS.

Also +1 on what @XT said.

Actually, the 22nd amendment refers to being elected, not sworn in.

The relevant language from the 22nd Amendment:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

The liberals stole the election that he won, remember?

Sheesh, get your memes straight.

I have wondered the same thing.

But I’ve not heard of anyone challenging his eligibility on those grounds, so there must be something wrong with the idea.

Ooh, good word. TIL.

Claque

'a group of sycophantic followers."

His entire life, he’s been getting it both ways. It’s only quite reccently where he’s possibly going to face consequences for one part of that stunt, to wit, reporting different values at the same time for the same properties.

To the extent that he would even be capable of understanding this argument, he wouldn’t care about it.

This is a man who’s already argued in public that he deserves a third term because people were mean to him during his first term. Legalities matter not at all to him.

Another reason to never read the Atlantic. :wink:

It’s a fun thing to think about, but the argument would be that the “election” in the amendment is the electoral college, right? I can totally picture Trump in 2024 saying he really won in 2020, and if the electoral college had done its job properly he’d be done, but instead he’s back to show the liberals how their steal has backfired by leaving him still eligible.

Doesn’t matter. If a court were to rule him ineligible to stand, then he can’t stand. It is irrelevant if he understands or agrees with the ruling.

The courts have more than adequately demonstrated that they know definitively that he lost the most recent presidential election and therefore can stand for office in 2024.
This point is moot, it is simply a way to bate MAGA’s into revealing their hypocrisy; they hold whichever view gives them the most leverage and power on any topic even if they held the opposite view ten minutes ago. They care far more about demonstrating dominance of the liberals (whom are largely moderate left) than they care about: character, self reliance, fiscal responsibility, border security, inflation, or anything else they may say is priority number one at any given moment.

Trump is not the composer of this disaster – he is the comical conductor who stands before the (ever shrinking orchestra that values Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Greene for Christ’s sake!) musicians and waves his hands and his hair flies around and his tie flies up and hits him in the face and the crowd roars and howls (because they are sub-human animals. [*] He fake trips stepping up to his platform and the drummer gives him a rimshot (like when Carson used to do Carnac), when the musical performance is through, he grabs a bucket of water and runs into the audience and throws it onto finely dressed and dignified looking elderly viewers - - except the bucket turns out to be full of confetti!

The crowd goes home exhausted from laughing, take off their tuxedos and ball gowns and write in their journals how they attended the symphony tonight and how they have never seen such a moving and dignified performance – how sublime the strings and horns were, and the power of the timpani . . . but all the while they are thinking of the kazoo music that accompanied his hand buzzer that shocks whatever hand the conductor is shaking.

My idle speculation is if MAGA’s would love him more- or less- if he had to appear at his rallies in an orange jumpsuit and shackles?

[*] This was an on the fly pun used because the roars and howls lines are both ways to describe crowd reactions, and the sounds wild animals make. It seemed like a clever way to get into a hyperbolic dig, it is not meant to indicate that I truly believe Trump supporters are sub-human- they are fully human. Not very smart humans in my estimation, but fully human none the less.

There’s no value in doing that because they can’t be baited. They “reveal their hypocrisy” on a daily basis, and it matters not a whit because, like their leader, they simply assert that whichever version of reality they are currently claiming is true is true and has always been true and will always be true, even if they were saying the opposite ten minutes ago and will change to yet another story ten minutes from now. And if they’re asserting two conflicting realities at the same time, both are simultaneously true.

You are of course correct.
But I did not mean it would be effective, I simply meant it is a way for more sensible people to get it on the record for posterity, and to amuse ourselves. I suppose it is like an inside joke where the subject does not realize he or she is the butt of the joke.

I’ve asked this elsewhere, so I’ll ask it again: A court rules him “ineligible to stand”. Great, Okay, then, who enforces this?

You’re falling back on the “Checks and Balances” thing again, and the one thing I’d hope we all learned is that checks and balances only work if the people charged with the responsibility to carry them out are willing to do their job.

Will the GOP tell him he can’t appear on the ballot in the primary?
Will GOP voters refuse to vote for him, because he’s ineligible?
Will state-level GOP election officials refuse to put him on the ballots in the general election?
Will GOP election officials invalidate every Trump vote?
Will the members of the Electoral College refuse to vote for him?
Will the GOP Congress refuse to certify the election?
Will the GOP Supreme court refuse to administer the oath of office?

Sure, someone somewhere with some actual authority to actually do something might step up to defend the Constitution and the rule of law, but what in the last five years leads you to think that that person will be a member of the GOP? If GOP officials have the opportunity to hand him the election, court rulings or not, a lot of them will do it.