Eh, you fight, you get punched. Don’t worry about being punched: right now, the battle is between the US government vs. the Insurrectionists. Better to have that fight in this 4-year window than leave it unfought for 2025, when it’s the US Government and the Insurrectionists vs us.
I mean, killing people for Trump is going to help him how?
Take the fight to them and take it now. This is the time.
This.
I do not get people trying desperately to sidestep the conflict, as if it’s going to go away, or get better (somehow) if you can avoid it right now. It’s not.
I’m not sure if you are directly addressing my post, vis a vis Timothy McVeigh, but if you are, I wasn’t suggesting that we avoid “the fight”. I’m just saying that we should take possible threats seriously rather than saying that “they’re just a bunch of wimpy loudmouths who will shrivel up and whimper in some corner when countered”.
That’s true for most of them, but not all of them. People have done violence in Trump’s name (even aside from 1/6) and likely will again. These are “lone nuts”, but they still can hurt and kill people.
Trump is having a “rally” on Saturday. Given his increasingly unhinged ranting as of late, and his increased production of lies, I do wonder if he will explicitly call for violent rebellion at his rally. I think in the past, there were some folks who managed to tamp down the more explicit stupid shit in his speeches… but those people are long gone now.
If Trump does call for violent acts towards law enforcement or politicians, or media, I wonder if the usual suspects (Graham, McConnel etc) will just cower down and remain silent?
Unless he has completely gone off, I don’t think he will explicitly do so. As has been pointed out many times, he has, historically, tended to operate more like a crime boss: he seems to not usually come right out and say, “I want you to do [criminal action X];” he implies that he wants that action to be taken. I think that he does, indeed, realize that an explicit call to violent action would be a gold-plated invitation to the FBI to have him arrested.
I think what’s more likely is something like his call-out to the Proud Boys during one of the Presidential debates in 2020: “Stand back and stand by.”
Do you know where? Just curious.
Saturday, September 3, 2022 Wilkes-Barre PA Mohegan Sun Arena at Casey Plaza
Thank you. I wondered if he’d go back to the well in Arizona or try and challenge Biden in Pennsylvania. Now I know.
Should be interesting.
If he goes to prison (the likelihood of which I’m not prepared to guess at this time), I imagine there would be protests at the facility and possibly even another half-assed January 6, only with the intent of freeing him. The Bureau of Prisons could stave this off by not telling the public where he’s incarcerated, but that’s problematic because we don’t have secret prisons in the United States (at least, ideally not), and his family still should be allowed to visit him, because basic human rights.
I’d like to see them try to free him in Gitmo.
If his family is in prison with him, then problem solved!
Interesting phrasing in that wikipedia article: Under the heading “Political events,” it says, “On September 3, 2022, the President is scheduled to hold a rally for the 2022 midterms” (my italics).
Any bets on the political leanings of the editor who added that sentence?
Exactly this. He needs the shred of deniability, and will use the same tactical and opaque wording he used on Jan 6. “You gotta fight like hell!” and “You’re going to lose your country!” and other stuff where his followers are the ones who will be taking the risk - it’s never him. Of course, he considers these people worthless and expendable as long as they are doing things he wants.
Well, yes, but AFAIK neither Barron nor Melania are facing any criminal exposure.
The article is from Founders Ministries, about a book by evangelicals. I don’t think I would take their word for how much influence they have
Same basic info, different source
Quote:The authors of the report — a joint project of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty, Freedom From Religion Foundation, and Christians Against Christian Nationalism — argued Christian nationalism played a role in “bolstering, justifying, and intensifying” the attack on the US Capitol.
Why do I think that if he’s incarcerated in a max security prison far from civilization that a crowd larger than a Boy Scout troop will find itself trapped between an Army brigade and a prison wall quickly enough?
He’s not going to a max security prison. He’ll be going to Club Fed. Or worst-case scenario, some slightly-worse-than-Club-Fed minimum security prison somewhere.
Well, if the Bureau of Prisons hears credible reports of armed men planning a jailbreak, they might just rethink where they put him.