I'll keep my Trump-voting cousin, if you don't mind

“Let’s persecute millions of people for money!”

As long as you think I could possibly give a flying fuck about people who are at best okay with removing the bodily autonomy and rights of people I love, you’re going to continue wasting your breath crying for appeasement. Despite your repeated protestations at now multiple people, is pretty clearly not working. Or should we reject the evidence of our eyes and ears?

She DID say he was an idiot.

For what it’s worth, I think the answer was perfectly clear, and one of the most common reasons that people supported Trump, to the extent that I’m unconvinced any request for elaboration is made in good faith.

How delightful, then, that that’s not what I’m advocating.

Absolutely not–but nor should we reject science, nor should we pretend that a superficial conclusion suffices to understand a complex system.

Really? Because your entire schtick is giving them a safe space, a face-saving harbor, not venting your spleen, giving them an easy path out of fascism.

But you’re absolutely slowly leaching Trump’s power. That’s why a pedophile is the AG nominee, a blatant Russophile is the DNI nominee, and RFK Jr is about to run HHS. Keep going, we don’t have anyone in power openly calling for concentration camps yet!

It’s funny, but for someone who is very comfortable labeling everyone who voted for Trump as a Nazi, you are the one sounding very much like some erstwhile Hitler youth instructor.

“Loyalty to the party means everything, family and relations are subservient to your utmost duty to the party. Your family will turn on you. Cast them aside if you think them disloyal to the party line.”

Thankfully not everyone is buying that shit that you are peddling.

Tell that to the LGBTQ folk being harassed right now by the people he supports. I’m sure they’ll be comforted and understanding.

And happy they are paying less taxes.

Boy, will he be unhappy when he finds out what tariffs are.

Quit covering for the right-wing assholes. This “Those who hate those destructive haters who are using their power and influence to destroy lives are the real haters!” crap is just bullshit.

Giving them a safe path out of fascism, not a safe space.

Okey dokey. You really don’t understand how complex systems work, so we’re pretty done here.

Which doesn’t resemble anything I said. What “party line”?

“Fascists are dangerous” isn’t a “party line”, it’s a statement of fact demonstrated by history. “Right wingers hurt their own family” is the same. Encouraging people to trust right wing members of their family is setting them up to suffer at best ostracism. There’s an epidemic of homelessness among teenage homosexuals because their right wing parents dump them on the street.

If the Right constantly tells them a bunch of crap and all you do in response is basically nothing to counter it, then all you’ve done is provide safe space.

How delightful, then, that I’m not suggesting we do basically nothing!

Y’all are too much.

If someone bends over backwards to pretend that supporting fascism isn’t that bad, then the fascists have no reason to stop. And on top of that they are likely to regard it as a concession that they are in the right, since you are “obviously” unable to come up with a valid argument against them.

What specifically are you doing to counter the lies?

In a thread filled with gems by Czarcasm and Der Trihs, it’s hard to believe that there’d be a new contended for Biggest Asshole of the Thread, and yet - here you are.

@czarcasm, you have a long way to go before I believe you’re asking questions in good faith.

sure, but the problem is that you think all 76 million people who voted for Trump are, by virtue of that single data point, fascists, when I’m quite certain they are not

No, it’s actually not. Assholes hurt their own family. And assholery crosses political party lines

If only you were as concerned about the real assholes that would take away rights.

“What do you call someone who sits down at a table with nine Nazis? Ten Nazis.”