Nah, I think you’re covered by the two-click rule.
Of course my understanding of the two-click rule is about on a par with the infield fly rule, so don’t necessarily take my word for it. 
Incidentally, here’san overview of the Israeli health care system and how its lessons can and cannot be applied to the current U.S. debate.
I also have to add the U.S. Memorial Day really does bug the hell out of Israeli observers.
I may have to steal this for a sig. 
Occam’s Razor strikes again!
This is kinda off topic because there’s no real connection other than a loonball winger spouting about Nazis, but I didn’t know where else to put this. It’s pretty funny. Video at the link.
Barney Frank Confronts Woman At Town Hall Comparing Obama To Hitler
Other than insulting other planets and dining room tables, that was a fantastic reaction by Frank.
I don’t think anyone here is claiming she’s a Nazi, but he was pretty loud and mentioned that he was an Israeli, and she obviously heard some of what he was saying, so she likely knew where he was from.
That was great! I think he has it right. Don’t even dignify this nonsense, call it for what it is.
Good grief. There are over 300 million people in this country. If a third of them are conservative, and you can point to one hundred nutcases… well, the match is left as an exercise for the reader.
The media loves to highlight conflict and outliers. We’ve had eight years of a Bush administration that inspired its share of looney hate, and many acts that I’m sure liberals here wouldn’t want to agree were fairly attributed to their party. How many people believe Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks? I bet I can find more 9-11 Bush-guilty conspiracy posts on the Internet than you can find town hall nutsos. But I wouldn’t for a moment suggest that this kind of idiocy was reflective of the major progressive movement.
Most of the “Bush was behind 9/11” stuff came not from the left but from the extreme right wing- Alex Jones and his ilk, white supremacists, and all the other people who think the Jews are secretly controlling the government. The same people blamed Clinton for the WTC bombing, too, incidentally. I’m sure there are other perfectly good examples of crazy leftist allegations but this isn’t one of them.
As far as I can tell, the only accusations of a Bush conspiracy from the loony left are that he knew there were no WMDs in Iraq (which is looking considerably less loony now).
You watch Fox News, don’t you? Of course you do, it’s the “Most Powerful Name in News.” Well I often hear a lot of people point out that these are just a few (possibly orchestrated) crazies, and are in no way a reflection of what actual people think. But then I turn to Fox News and hear a lot of, “Nuh uh! This is a real grass roots movement! This is what The People think! Why is Obama trying to silence The Truth!” and the like. Of course, you are not a Fox News anchor, so I don’t expect you to be able to explain to me why they say what they say. What I would like to know is if you agree with them. Is this a real movement? Do people really think the government option for health care is going to turn us into a nation of Socialist Hitlers, or is this a bunch of isolated whackjobs? I suppose the post I’m quoting would answer my question, but I just want to hear someone say one of the following: “Fox News anchors don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, and make shit up” or “The majority of Republicans have lost their everloving minds.”
Well, you’ve created a false dilemma. It may be a real grass roots movement in the sense that many people are upset about funding healthcare for people outside of their immediate families. But that grass roots movement does not have to encompass screaming about the Third Reich at anyone.
In other words, your post seeks to draw no distinction between any opposition to the proposed health care plans; loonies and sober reflective alike are either “part of the grass roots movement” or they’re not.
That said… I have no idea if this is really a grass-roots movement, or it’s being made to appear that way by use of orchestrated events. But I admit the possibility that there’s a real grass-roots movement that nonetheless excludes the crazies.
ETA: of course, you may believe that any opposition to President Obama’s plan is itself evidence of losing one’s everloving mind. There, of course, I would definitely disagree.
I’m clearly ignorant of something here, because I have no idea why Israelis would care about Memorial Day. What’s up?
I really don’t think I have. I am aware that there can be reasonable arguments against whatever clusterfuck of a health care plan is being proposed, but I’m not hearing any of them. What I’m hearing is a bunch of people screaming that Obamacare is going to kill our grandmothers, and throw the Jews into an incinerator. Originally, Drain Bead asked how many times we have to hear these lunatics scream about death panels before we start to believe that “intelligent and thoughtful conservatism” has gone the way of the dodo. You responded with a “Good grief,” then went on to claim that the few glimpses of shouting we’ve seen in the news is typical media sensationalization, and doesn’t tell us much about what a nation of 300 million people think. Am I right so far?
Okay, so now forget the term “grass roots.” I don’t really care how this was organized. My question is do you think the screamers --the people who disrupt townhall meetings, the people who somehow think we’re turning into Communist Nazis-- the majority of the Republican party, or are this just some ticked off fringe? You think the majority of the opposition are people with well-reasoned ideas? Is the majority of the right wing really white-fire pissed that Obamacare will kill their babies, or have the more reasonable voices of the opposition been suppressed by the Mainstream Media because violence and lunacy is more entertaining?
Is that your final answer?
““Joe” “not the most civilized person” the “Plumber”” announces he’d like to commit assault and/or battery upon the sitting Speaker of The House and other elected officials “… beat the livin’ tar out of them …”.
Sorry SteveG1, the answer is no, no he doesn’t have more sense than that. Cecil tell us what SteveG1 receives as a parting gift?
SteveG1 what mysterious asbestos headquarters in a volcano is complete without the right mood lighting?
That’s right, you’ve won a complete shadowy and sinister lighting ensemble from Shadowy and Sinister Lighting.
Shadowy and Sinister Lighting the company evil overlords have trusted for all their lighting needs since 1856.
CMC fnord!
You know— too much of a coincidence, I’m sure— but when I picture C*rol in my mind’s eye, it’s— just uncanny. I mean, has anyone actually seen them both in the same room at the same time?
Never mind
I like to think of myself as a reasonable conservative, and I don’t have the slightest interest in attending a town hall meeting. So, yes, you’re right so far: the actions of the most vocal attendees at town hall meetings may not be fairly imputed to the bulk of the conservative movement.
I think the reasonable voices don’t believe policy is made at town hall meetings, and thus decline to attend. So yes: this is some ticked-off fringe.
Memorial Day in the US is an excuse to shop. Similar holidays in other countries aren’t really treated the same way- they’re actually about honoring the fallen, and such.
I presume this is especially true of Israel because everyone serves in the IDF so it’s personal for everybody, and because its military actually has to protect it from direct threats.
His point was that in Israel, people honour and respect soldiers. In the U.S. we have Memorial Day, which is largely an excuse to buy mattresses on sale (and have BBQs, and drink beer, and buy other things on sale).
So now type this sentence out: “Fox News anchors don’t know what the hell they’re talking about, and make shit up”
Please? Not you, the other guy.