I'm sorry, i just really need to rant, OK? Ignore this.

Dropzone,

I do apreciate your input. And JTR was only linking to a thread about a similar situation to mine. In truth, our counselor is very good, and we are continuing to see her. It is also true that if you subjegate anger, resenment, and many other emotions for years, they build up until they affect your emotional stability, health, and method of interacting with your spouse and the world. It has proved impossible to deal with some of the issues when they are viewed through the lense of these emotions. That is what I am doing- giving myself space to work through the crap without the pressure of new crap being added on top of the old. That is what I ment by “finding myself”.I hope you never have to find this out for yourself.

Again, HA! How do you think I got so “wise,” reading self-help books? No sirree-bob, I have fuc—I mean, fouled up my life in many ways for many years. I am the voice of sad experience. And still have more than enough of those pent-up emotions.

And I’m so GLAD you aren’t lifecrisis! That’s what triggered my snotty “grow up” comment, as you apparently guessed. With you, what, 31? if you started growing up now you’d have me beat by twelve years.

Look drop,

Since you don’t know Dave and what he has been dealing with over the months, then I suggest you that you need to stop with your pop-psychology and let him deal with his situation as best as he knows how.

You get on your soap box and make him sound like he’s not doing everything he can to make this work. Well my friend, he is and he has, Dave is doing everything he can to make his life with his wife be a good thing.

Until you know the situation as I know it, then I suggest you stop with your suggestions and be supportive of the difficult decisions he has made at this point and get off your god-damned high horse.

Normally I wouldn’t climb on your ass but fuck-me-running, you are essentially putting him down for the decisions he has made, decisions that are the best thing for him at this time in his life.

Anyone else care to discuss Dave’s decision to move out? Anyone else care to judge this decision? If so I am more than ready to take you on. I am not in the mood to let someone put down a good friend of mine because of the choices he feels is right for the moment.

drop Dave is doing what he feels is right for the time being, so get off his ass or deal with me, okay? You know I like you but your situation is different than his, k?

To dropzone:

Sorry about the confusion. It was my fault. I didn’t make the reference clear.

I didn’t mean to involve the poster lifecrisis in this situation. I only referenced that thread because I had provided a lot of information there about my own attitudes toward divorce and marital break-ups. I thought the information would be useful to both you and Dave to help you see where I was coming from. But the OP in that thread had nothing to do with the current situation. I posted that four-page note to lifecrisis almost three weeks before Dave announced that he was splitting with his wife.

So I apologize, dropzone. I could have been clearer about how that thread fit in. (Also, I apologize to lifecrisis. Sorry about involving your post in this discussion.)

To Dave:

Incoming e-mail No. 2. Good luck with your move tomorrow!

Hang in there, and let out a few rants along the way.

Just remember you deserve better than this current scene, and at some point it will be behind you.

Try to focus on what you want a year from now. Don’t worry about loose ends, but getting from here to your future and leaving the loose ends behind.

Oooh! I’m shakin’ in my boots! :wink:

Okay, even with the smilie that was unnecessarily snotty, but if you read Dave’s and my latest round you’ll see that we have come to a mutual understanding and that I have a clearer idea of the situation. My first post was based on his OP. I had not read his earlier posts, since I can’t read everything posted here, even though it sometimes seems like I live here. I actually try to avoid depressing threads, leaving support in the hands of people who do it better. But when somebody posts a despair-filled rant at 12:55AM (my time, but life’s pretty dozey around the ol’ Dope Ranch at that time) it’s important for them to know there is someone listening, someone who has their best interests in mind.

As for my “pop-psychology,” I took Psychology in college. I even went to class, sometimes. :wink: Really, just because a way of looking at things is “popular” does not mean it’s invalid. What I told him, the nice stuff at least, is actually true and works. Don’t write people off because they use the word “communication.” And, as I have said elsewhere, I do not see separation as anything but a prelude to divorce. Dave loves his wife. She loves him. They’re getting on each other’s nerves to the max lately, but I think there are better avenues to follow. So I said so.

I have grown weary of an attitude here that would have us be supportive despite our own beliefs at the risk of being ostracized. We do nobody any favors by doing that. Friends aren’t just for hugging, and a beautiful part of the SDMB is that we have a lot of people here who have a lot of life experience and a lot of good ideas. Shit, I’ve talked with you people about things I haven’t talked about with RL friends or my wife, even. Sometimes you just need somebody else’s perspective, and our anominity and the fact that most of us DON’T know each other IRL is an asset. This is a resource that I will continue to use.

However, techchick, you have only temporarily deflected the path of my pop-psychology beam from YOU. Although you only seem to talk to me when you want to <sniff> YELL at me! {{{{{techchick))>>><—(me grabbing her bottom)

Dave, haven’t forgotten about you. I really want you two to work this out, either way. It probably isn’t necessary to say this, but keep us posted. {{{{{wierddave}}}}}

JTR, quit apologizing. :wink: I’m the one who misunderstood and went flying off the handle.

lifecrisis, I want to apologize to you. It was the combination of yours and Dave’s problems that got me thinking you folks should grow up. I thought he had disguised his problems beyond changing his name and gender. It was a terrible mistake on my part. But could you post an update? It’s wierd, you folks all being virtual and all, but I do get concerned. {{{{{lifecrisis}}}}}