Is that because they might give your home cooties?
No, the kid died because he killed himself. He killed himself because he allegedly couldn’t handle people’s reactions to where he put his penis.
No, sherlock. It’s because it’s our house and our rules. If somebody wants the freedom to do whatever they want, they can also exercise the freedom to do it in their own space, not in mine.
It’s worse than that, Clint. He came out to them as being gay, if his coming out was like the normal ones reported on various threads and in books telling people’s “coming out stories.” What people ordinarily mean by this is “having a homosexual orientation” – they weren’t even “upset about where he chose to put his penis” – they were upset about “where he wanted to put it” – or, to be more thoroughgoing on the difference between sex and sexuality, by the idea that he might fall in love with, and want to have sex with as a part of that love relationship, another young man, instead of a girl. Clearly anyone who would be honest about having such feelings deserves to be cast out of his family and told he’s an abomination before God and all righteous people, right?
True, but I can’t imagine being shunned by your own parents for something that should be trivial.
That’s gotta screw a young person up. Growing up can be hard enough as is.
Forgive them, Father. They know not what they do.
And assuming doesn’t become you.
This is the problem. People take what is written by another poster, assume it’s meant to be negative without asking, and is dead wrong. I expected a little bit more from you RTFirefly.
Not telling me wouldn’t make anything ok with God.
I would trust that she would be telling me the truth. If she has a friend to bring over, as I did many time, I would think it was just a friend. If they lived together, like many others, I would think it’s a roomate. If they are lying to me, their is nothing I can do about it. If I suspected something, I would ask. If they denied it and I still suspected something more, I would again tell both of them why I thought this, and talk to them about the Bible. I would then trust that they are not lying, and leave it in God’s hands.
I would suggest that maybe they should consider marriage. If they decide to stay together and not get married, I would remind them of what the Bible says about fornication. Hopefully it would stop until they did get married. If she lived with me, the childs father would be allowed to visit, not allowed to stay over, and he too would hear what God has to say. If he leaves her or she leaves him, hopefully we can start over the right way.
Tell me, Guin, what is it exactly we have to be forgiven for, since you seem to think we have sinned?
Yeah. No fair being a sinner and existing in my house!
Newsflash, JC and JD: It is perfectly possible to note that one’s “sins” that are not against one’s fellow man (i.e.: wanting the man-meat) are between God and said one, and that they are none of your fux0ring business. None! Not even if they are in your house! If you don’t want them to have gay sex in your house, fine. It’s your damn house. But not wanting them to be gay is a horse of a different color (pink?) altogether.
It seems to me, JerseyDiamond, if you can make an exception for your own adultery (via divorce) then you should be able to make an exception for a gay child.
Once again, no shit. That’s why I said my child would always be welcome in my house, but wouldn’t be allowed to have their SO over.
Cite, please…
never mind, Diogenes. I can’t be bothered with you…
[blinks]
I’m assuming that’s directed at me. If so, I was referring to gay people in general and your child’s SO in particular about the not-judging and the difference between being gay and having gay sex.
How did this post – a respectful, heartfelt expression of remorse over a young man whose life was far too short – turn into a flamefest? (This is rhetorical, so please don’t answer, but IMHO it is a shame that this particular post has turned into something other than what it was in the beginning.)
Maybe we don’t know all of the facts, but here is what some of us do know:
- God loves Daryl.
- God commands us to love Daryl, even if we don’t like his choices.
- God commands us to love his parents, even if we don’t like their choices.
Maybe his parents were shocked, and if Daryl had held on a little longer they would have overcome their initial reaction. Maybe not. Maybe if they had loved him the way the father in Jesus’ parable loved his prodigal son, Daryl would be alive today. Maybe not. I don’t think it is my place to judge.
Whatever the circumstances, what happened was a tragedy. My heart mourns for Daryl, for his parents and for his friends. While I have experienced a degree of pain in my life, I have never been to a point where things seemed so helpless or hopeless, or that I felt so totally isolated that I thought I had no option other than death. I can’t imagine what feelings of pain and isolation Daryl must have experienced. I hope that he is in heaven right now and that he is enjoying the complete acceptance of a loving God.
And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Mark 10:12
You and Joe want to play the Bible quote game, but when it’s turned back on to you you want to run away and hide.
No, smart ass. Cite, regarding the way the alleged adultery applies to JD.
serenitynow:
Finally, something I agree with wholeheartedly. Thanks.
[costanza]SERENITY NOW!!![/]
Aaaahhhhh, I feel much better. 
whheeeew, I thought I had done something wrong…
Thanks Diogones… <<< Now that is where sarcasm is handy, RT.
I was under the impression tha JD has been divorced. Am I wrong? If I am I apologize.
I’m sorry if I’m late but I just got here and after one page of reading, I had to post
Now Joe_Cool this one is for you… please do give me your take on this!
My cousin came out to his parents who absolutely did not accept it, after discussions, negotiations and threats, they finally kicked him out and disowned. He kill himself later that year. He tried every thing he could think of to get close to his parents again but he was dead to them. I was outraged and I did try to help him anyway I could, but being a teen myself, there wasn’t much I could do. His parents won’t talk to me, now because of two things, first off I helped him, I led him down the “path of sin” and enabled him to live that life and secondly because I worked with AIDS victims again enabling them in their lifestyle, but if you ask me… not big loss to me. I have not spoken to them in 20 years and since my mother died I have had no contact with them at all, we even stayed away from each other at my mother’s funeral.
Is there any reason I should have compassion for these people who totally rejected their son, their flesh and blood?
Yes, you’re wrong. It’s no big deal…there were only TEN FREAKING PAGES fighting about the topic last fall. So forgive me if I’m a little heated when it comes to that discussion.