Interpret this phone call (long but hopefully not boring)

I’m a little confused, but in a happy(?) way. I don’t know what to make of this, and ultimately I’m the only one who can find out, but I’m interested in opinions.

I was hired at my current job 4.5 years ago. On my first day, the woman who made the decision on my hire showed me around the office. Here are the bathrooms, here’s the watercooler, here’s where you can get some lunch. This is Heather, she’s a secretary, this is Joe, he works in finance, this is Barbara, she’s the office manager, this is L, she’s in research, this is Edwina she’s a secretary, etc.

Wanting to make friends fast, I made little mental notes on each person I was introduced to. Barbie doll babe who is really friendly, seems like a cool guy, watch out for her because she looks like a bitch, oh my fucking god this babe is so incredible that even though I’ve only seen the back of her head this is the woman that I’m destined share my entire life with and when I’m an old and wrinkly tdn I want her old and wrinkly self holding my hand in the nursing home so we can look into each other’s eyes one last loving time IloveherIloveherIloveherIloveher, seems like a nice lady, etc.

Heather is truly a babe, Joe became a friend who died under mysterious circumstances, Barbara turned out to be a super bitch, and Edwina is a lot of fun.

I didn’t start this thread to talk about them. This is about L. (Name unusual enough that I don’t want to expose her to a google search. It rhymes with the lyrics of every love song you’ve ever heard.)

L and I hit it off instantly. Like (as my fevered brain imagined) we were instantly old friends. And sometimes our dealings seemed flirtatious. Sometimes really flirtatious. Alas, it was not meant to be. I was in a long-term relationship, and she was a newlywed.

But the flirts came and went over the years. This one time, at a holiday outing, when I said goodbye to everyone, I got a few hugs. (The one from Heather was really nice!) L not only hugged me, but a mutual kiss happened. I was aiming for her cheek, but I think she was going for my lips. Our not-so-mutual targets ended up with me kissing her eyebrow and her grazing my shoe. It was awkward.

Things like this happen. Inconvenient and inappropriate office crushes abound, and when acting on them constitutes cheating, you don’t act on them.

Around a year and a half ago, I found out, through a fortune cookie no less, that she was no longer counted among the blissfully wed. Wow. What fucking moron would ever let her go? Perhaps she escaped.

Two months ago, my girlfriend and I had a little falling out.

“Do you think we should see other people?”

“I don’t know. Maybe we should.”

“In general, or with someone specific?”

“In general I guess. Maybe someone specific.”

“Who?”

“You don’t know her. Someone from work.”

"How long has this been going on?

“Um… Four and a half years?”

" :eek: "

We were over.

I’ve bored the Dope with abridged accounts of these stories before. Just getting the newbies up to speed.

So I finally worked up the superhero-like courage to ask L out. She said yes. I made my cowardly escape like I had commited some shameful crime. I was shaking like an overcaffeinated epileptic on one of those kiddie rides outside the supermarket. But she said yes! W00t!

The next morning, I got an e-mail from her. Pretty much “Thanks for asking me out, but I’m kind of seeing someone right now. Let’s just be friends.” A few e-mails later, we’d wished each other happiness, agreed that there was nothing to be had here, and let’s pretend this never happened.

The dream was over. Crushed heart in aisle four.

After that, a funny thing happened. When I saw her at work, she was – cool. Not cold, not unfriendly, just professional. Friendly, but no more so than with any other coworkers. That is, when other coworkers were around. In the rare times when we are alone together, she’s not quite as cool. 23.7% warmer, in fact. It’s like we share some terrible secret, and it’s fun that we both know it but don’t talk about it. We can talk about Idol, Evil Bitch Barbara, or the awful events at Virgina Tech, but the whole time we’ll both be grinning ear-to-ear, and looking intently into each other’s eyes.

Yes, patient readers, I’m coming to my question.

But our relationship was different. Better.

On Tuesday, I casually mentioned that I’m going to spend Memorial Day at a favorite seaside resort. Alone this year, unfortunately. I miss my girlfriend sometimes.

“Great!”, said L. “Let me know when you know the details. We can get together and go for a walk or something!”

:eek:

I don’t remember how I answered her. I’d like to believe it was “Cool. Yeah.” I think it was more “Really? Wow! Marry me! Omigodomigodomigod!”

Nothing more was said about it.

She normally leaves work before I do. Yesterday (Friday), just before five, when I was getting ready to leave, I got a phone call. It was L. Here’s the gist of the conversation, which actually lasted about ten minutes:

“I was wondering if you had plans for tonight.”

“Oh. Really? Uh… Actually, I do. Why?”

“I’m going to a concert with some friends, and we have an extra ticket. I was hoping you could come.”

This was followed by a lengthy conversation about how she really hoped I would have a great time with my plans, really, have a fantastic time, I’m glad you’re going to have a good time, see you on Monday. Her well-wishes lingered for a long time.

So what’s up with that? Was she really just desperate to be rid of a superfluous ticket?

It’s a game, bub. Ball is in her court. She’s reaching out. It’s actually a blessing that you had some stuff going on because you didn’t have to show her your “marry me! omigodomigodomigod” hand and become a snivelling boob.

Play it cool. See if she comes up with some new excuse for wanting to hang out in the future. Seems like she wants to go the “group date” route so if you find a nice “group date” situation to which you can invite her, go for it.

I am sort of rambling. I just wanted to ask if her name was Litoris (or Mulva, if you will) haha

Agreed on all counts except for where the ball is. I asked her out once, she effectively asked me out twice. In one week. I’m not sure if take my turn at reaching out to her in some innocuous way. But as far as I know, we’re game on for Memorial Day.

My biggest fear there is if my ex decides to go to the same place. Not enough Awks in Awkward to describe what that might be like, even if L doesn’t show. It’s a small town.

Far more beautiful, if such a thing is possible.

That the “check it out, bitch - I’m movin’ on!” part of the game. fo shizzle.

She knows I’m moving on. I think she doesn’t want me to. “I’m so sorry, sweetie. I have to move on.” fo shame.

How far off is Memorial Day? If it’s within the next couple of weeks then let that happen and see how it plays out.

If it’s further off then maybe you need to have a casual conversation within her hearing with a convenient stooge about how you would love to see film x*but all of your friends hate that kind of film and you feel funny about going to see it on your own. Ensure that your stooge also hates that kind of film BEFORE having this convo or you are setting yourself up for a threesome. :wink:
*or gallery opening or type of restaurant or whatever. The point is you are giving her an opening to say she’d gladly accompany you.

Five weeks. Too long?

Yeah. You want a nice easy start to this potential but there’s ‘slow and easy’ and there’s glacial.

You’re probably right. I don’t know about getting a stooge. It would probably come off as staged and underhanded. I’m no good at that sort of thing. And I want to be honest with her (without giving full disclosure) right from the start.

I think I’ll feel her out on Monday. Ask her how the concert was, that sort of thing. When I see her response, I’ll have a better handle on what my next move, if any, should be.

Funny thing, though. I told the story in the OP to my friend last night in his car. He had two things to say. For one, say I went to his house for dinner and conversation, which is pretty much the truth. But do not tell L that I was going there to play DnD.

For two, once, long ago, he there was a woman he wanted to hook up with, but it never happened. Years after he had forgotten about her, she called him at his job out of the blue. On a Friday. She asked him if he wanted to go to a concert that night. He went. Lo these 20-some years later, they have a nice little home in a seaside resort commumity. Come to think of it, her initial is L as well.

I know I said avoid glacial but I think that’s moving a *little * too quickly. :stuck_out_tongue:

I said out, not up!

That comes on Tuesday.

Why not ask her if she’s still sort of seeing someone? Isn’t that what you want to know?

She wanted to know what her friends thought of you. Things aren’t going OMGGREAT with the other guy and now you’re in her head. The concert was a way to get you on her turf without any romantic awkwardness. If her friends liked you more than guy #1, the pendulum would have gone your way. Of course, by sticking with your plans and not cancelling them for her concert, the pendulum went your way too.

Your buddy is correct, dinner and conversation, with just a friend and don’t be specific about gender.

Yes, the game is stupid (etcetcetc) but everyone does it and she already entered you without your knowledge. Good luck!

Going out on a limb here:

She didn’t find you as sexually attractive as you found her at the beginning.
She is warming up to you, but still “iffy”.
Now she is intrigued, but still wary of workplace relationships.
You are starting to seem “safe”.
She tried the bad boy, she tried the married guy, she tried the rich guy…maybe she should expand her horizons.

Every person on earth is flattered by the attention of someone who carries a torch for them - and it sounds like you have been burning a lot of kerosene over the years.

Only a fool wouldn’t give it a shot and see what happens. Sounds like she might be there now.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to prove you are not a crazed stalker and get her to give you a chance. The danger in this is that you could be setting yourself up to be the “safe” guy, but not her first choice. Beware of that situation - many a man (and woman) has found that out too late and been devastated later in the relationship when a new prince (or princess) arrives on the scene.

I would love to take the direct approach, but as was mentioned, it’s a game at this point. I should probably not show my cards too early. I hate these games as much as anyone, but if you want to win, you gotta play.

In telling me that she was seeing someone else, I figure that there are (at least) two possibilities. One, she was telling the truth. Women that fantastic tend not to stay unattached for long. Two, what she really meant was “No way, you big fat loser”, but couched it in a way as to not hurt my feelings. I suppose a third possibility is that she was testing me to see how I’d react.

I was sorely tempted to act all mopey and disappointed and lovelorn. I wised up right quick. I put on a face of happiness and self-confidence. It wasn’t long until my emotions matched my face. And I think she responded to that. So if it was a test, I passed.

I think that if I ask her if she’s still seeing that guy, I might be interrogating her about a ruse, and I’ll come off as a little desperate. My best move right now might be to be a little distant. Let her try to figure me out for a change. And SailedTheOceanBlue might be correct. Don’t talk about what I did Friday night. Let her wonder whether it was a DnD game with nerds, or if it was a group oil-up in a local sorority.

In the OP I mentioned that I wouldn’t reveal her first name, because she might be easily traceable. Let me state for the record that I am not a stalker. But I decided to google her first and last name, just out of curiosity. Indeed, I got a hit. Some rich guy with a beach house and fancy yacht held a party last 4th of July. He posted the pictures to his site. She’s in one of them, looking full of mirth. And alcohol.

Damn, she’s beautiful.

It looks like she likes to hang out with rich people who are far more good-looking than me. People that love coastal New England fishing villages. I can so keep up with the second part.

I think you’re right. I’m just lucky I had plans. Thinking back, even if I didn’t, I should have said I did. That would send two signals:

  1. I have a life outside of you, and other people like me. My company is in demand.

  2. Using me as a backup plan is a little disrespectful. I’m worth more than that. Plan ahead next time.

I can’t wait to see what we’re like tomorrow. It’s been a long time since I’ve looked forward to a Monday morning!

I hope this was a compliment – because that’s how I am going to take it.

As for your OP – sounds like she definitely is scared of something. You 2 flirted for 4+ years? She is recently (yeh, 1.5 years is recently) divorced? She wants to go out, but is afraid of getting caught up in something too big, too fast. Play ti cool, like the others have said. If she shows up for Memorial Day, cool. If not, let that be cool, too.

I wish you luck. Not everyone gets a chance to be with the love of their life. I hope she is it for you and I hope things work out :slight_smile:

Absolutely!

You think? I hadn’t thought of that. Either way, I’m content to match her pace. I don’t care at what speed things move forward, as long as they move. If she’s a little old wrinkly thing by the time I first kiss her, then I’m more than happy to kiss a little old wrinkly thing.

That probably didn’t come out right.

Yeah, looks like that’s the way to go.

Thanks! I hope so too.

Information gathering is a wonderful thing. Sometimes.

She might not be able to meet me on Memorial Day after all, hence the invite to the concert. She said she wants to do something with me sometime, so “Let’s keep trying.” Which is fantastic, except that she was careful to use the F-word. It was not preceded by the G-word.

So that’s that, I guess.

Friend? God? God friend?