Is he, in fact... Just Not That Into Me?

I think if I have to ask, the answer is “yes”, but I thought I’d appeal to the men of the SDMB for whatever insight into the male psyche before writing him off completely.

THE SAGA:

He: 27, part-time student at my university, got out of a relationship with a live-in girlfriend at the end of March. Works ushering and doing techie grunt work at the regional theatre festival around which our town’s economy revolves. Says he is a “very private person”, and his behavior has, so far, borne this self-evaluation out.

Me: 19, full-time student, outgoing, studying hard and partying hard, if by “partying hard” you mean “seeing a play or two a week at student prices”. We got to know each other mostly through my theatrical outings (solo), and when we ran into each other at school he’d start conversations about the plays.

At the end of March (within days of he and his then-girlfriend breaking up, I learned later), a few days before spring break, I asked him out to dinner after a few weeks of seriously heavy flirting. He accepted, although he cited “complications” and didn’t name a date; he took my number.

Flash-forward to the Thursday before break. A mutual friend said, with the light of “I hate to tell you this and let’s go for kvetch and ice cream afterwards” in her eyes, informed me of the girlfriend sitch – Mutual Friend assumed they were still living together, when in fact it had only been a few days since Ex-Girlfriend moved out. I (rather acerbically, I admit) confronted the guy in question, informing him that generally accepted behavior is not to say “yes, I will have dinner with you” but “I’m sorry, I can’t, I’m living with another woman.” He said, “Well, I guess that’s it, then,” and I left in an a frustrated yet righteous huff.

Break came and went, I travelled to NYC to see plays and had a great time, returned and started getting into the swing of classes. Two weeks in, I got the following text message:

“Cucumber sandwiches!”

(I should mention that The Importance of Being Earnest is currently running in rep at our theatre festival.)

I ran through the people I knew to (a) have my phone number, (b) know the show well enough to throw that out there, and © know me well enough to assume I would catch it. After a few muffin-, teacake-, and bread-and-butter-related messages, I ascertained that it was the same fellow as before. When he started advances, I grilled him about the (ex-)girlfriend and eventually it came out that he was, in fact, single and prepared to take me up on the dinner-date offer from before break.

So we went out the third Friday of the term, and then the following Saturday and Sunday night. I thought we clicked very well – at least, I had a great time, and he fired off late-night text messages after dropping me off both night to thank me for the fun he’d had. (Nothing but kisses on the cheek at the end of the evening had happened on either night: he expressed unwillingness to get physically involved because he was on the rebound, and was afraid of [his words] “victimizing me”.) Sunday, we got a little tipsy and played the “share sexual histories” game, during which I spilled some juicy and embarrassing tidbits which in retrospect I really wish I hadn’t. After he drove me home, I asked when he was free again, and he said, “I don’t work Mondays.”

All right; I called him Monday afternoon after my classes to have him beg off, citing a nephew he wanted to spend time with. I called him again Wednesday to see if he wanted to do something that evening (he was working, he said), and then saw him at the theatre on Saturday, where we talked and laughed a bit during intermission, but he didn’t offer to take me out again and I didn’t ask.

The next Friday night, he called me: “If you think about it, isn’t the whole play really about a stupid handbag?” A few days later, a late-night text message: “Heads up, Cyrano [one of the summer shows] is going to be amazing.” We spoke about the show for a few minutes before I went to bed. No mention of going out again.

Last weekend, my mother was in town, and he was ushering; we exchanged a few words at intermission but I was mostly focused on making sure my mother had a good him. Thirty minutes after the show, a text message: “So, thanks for saying bye – what am I, chopped liver?” I said, “hey, my mother’s in town,” he pulled the classic “oh, I thought she was your sister.” I said, “we should do something this weekend!” He said, “Maybe, I’ll call you.”

Now it’s been a week since, and no call. I’ve all but written him off, since I figure – if he wants to spend time with me, he’ll, you know, spend time with me. Or heck, call me. So what think ye, SDMB community: really, is there any plausible way he is still interested in dating me? I’m taking the lack of effort on his part as a pretty strong signal, but he’s pretty cute and smart, and I don’t want to pitch him out if he’s still interested. Which I seriously doubt he is, but still. What’s the male take on this situation? Am I right in assuming he’s too chicken to say, “Hey, nothing personal, I’m Just Not That Into You, I don’t want to date but see you around the theater!”?

Holy shit, that was a long post! Well, congratulations if you got to the end, especially since it’ll probably just to be to confirm what I’m half-sure about already. :slight_smile:

well, you could actually ask him. Couple things though, after breaking up with a live in, some people go wild, some go cold and some normal…so hard to read tea leaves on that.

Also you’re 19 and he’s 27. That’s a bit of a gap. you’re both adults but seems like you’re first or second year at college, and he’s been doing dunno what for the past 9 years since high school. Some people don’t want to get involved with someone that has such a big life experience differential. Of course, I’m neither you nor him, just throwing out possibilities on his thinking.

It doesn’t sound to me like he cares that much. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got back together with his ex or maybe met somebody else. It doesn’t sound like he was ever very engaged with you besides some casual dating. A week isn’t quite enough time to say he’s completely gone but another week goes by, assume it’s over.

He’s probably too old for you anyway.

As Diogenes said, it sounds like you’ve got different goals here.

He - looking for casual dating.

You - looking for relationship.

Perhaps he’s into you, just not as much as you want him to be.

Ugly male, 10 years married . Hang tough. If he doesn’t love you, F him. I assure you there is a man out there who will give you everything he’s got and 10 yards more . A real man is more about trust and loyalty than anything else . I know the wait (weight on you ) is so much more. I assure you , you will find someone that is so into you he would rather die than give you up. The love you give is worth more than anything than money can buy. Poor advice I’m sure , but having been there , I hope you will take it for what it’s worth.

Yeah, I’m afraid it sounds like this guy is Just Not That Into You.
It’s also possible he’s hesitant because he feels weird about the age gap. To me, that big of an age gap is a bit worrisome at your particular stages in life. If you were 29 and he was 37 it wouldn’t matter, but a 19 year old is in a very different place in life than most 27 year olds are.

Personally, I’ve made it my policy to no longer ask guys out first. Yes, we all believe in gender equality nowadays, but most men are still socialized to think that asking for dates is their role, and most of them seem to enjoy the thrill of the chase.
I’m sure there are exceptions, of course, but I think we women tend to waste too much time chasing guys who were never all that interested. :frowning:
Sorry. I know it can be a big letdown when someone who seems promising doesn’t pan out in the dating scene. I hope you soon find someone who turns out to be much better.

I dont think that particular age gap should be any issue at all.

Yeah, I rather figured as much. To me, the age difference isn’t a big deal: I skipped a year of school when I was younger, and he took a few years off between high school and college to work, so I feel like we’re in each other’s life experience ballpark. Of course, what he feels about it is possibly (probably) totally different.

Oh, well! Too bad, he was cute. And do you know how hard it is to find someone who will quote Wilde at you before you’ve even been on a date?

(I keep hearing the “don’t ask men out” advice, and I guess it might be worth a shot – there’s another young gentleman whose eye I think I’ve caught, and I may have to try the “pursuee” technique with him. I just get so impatient! You men are frustrating, dammit. :))

No no no. Ask us out. Some of us wouldn’t know you’re interested unless you practically drag us into bed and jump naked on top of us. Although some men may enjoy the chase, others find the whole “I’m just going to hang back until you get enough guts to ask me out” thing to be very frustrating, and sometimes embarrasing when it turns out that you were actually playing the “I’m just going to hang back because the thought of you makes me want to puke” game.

Simple words of wisdom: if you want to know what someone thinks or feels about something, ask them. It’s the only way to know. Everything else is speculation, conjecture and guessing games.

A nice compromise would be for a girl to ask her guy out, but try to hold it " just friends" . If it doesn’t work out, well…a friend who does not want to become a lover is less painful, then a lover who does not want to become a friend.

That’s mighty generous of you :slight_smile:
I think you’re right that he’s not interested enough in you to make it worth your time.
And that “don’t ask men out” stuff is is so 1950’s.

Girls say this. Who wants another friend?

Um…he could be. We men aren’t complicated at all, honestly. (Oh, I’m sure some of us are, but they’re mostly drama queens. You tangled up with one of them, sweetie?) It’s also perfectly possible that the complications are those of the other girl. Don’t invest anything into it and move on. He may come around after a little bit. Time will tell if it’s too late.

As for girls having to wait for guys to ask them out…that’s so bullshit. If a guy thinks a girl is fine, go ask her. If a girl theinks a guy is cute, she should give pursuit. This is coming from a guy who is wretchedly oblivious when girls hit on him.

I’m super super serial.

Additionally, a girl that goes by the screenname “Tracy Lord” shouldn’t have men problems.

Yes, but then they know you want to know! Duh!

Ha! Sez you. Personally, I think it’s easier to move on from a lover-that-wasn’t (oh, well, happens to everybody, I don’t know what his problem is but I’m not going to go there) than spend a lot of time with someone I wish I were spending a different kind of time with. But, as the expression holds, different strokes for different folks. :wink:

Whoops! Oh, well, I do what I can. Never say I wasn’t a, er, giving, loving and helpful daughter. :cool:

One of the pitfalls of dating theatre majors is that we’re all drama queens in one way or another. Or gay! Or married. Lotta up-front disappointment. :slight_smile:

I took the big step of Turning Off My Phone this weekend (and on Saturday, even Left It At Home to go to the movies with friends – I would have turned it off in the movie, of course, but this way I couldn’t check my messages three seconds after we left). No missed calls or messages when I did check, so I’m pretty much writing this one off for good.

A question: is it common practice for guys who Just Aren’t That Into You after a few dates to just stop calling? It seems like such an ineffective way to leave things. Especially when, after the few times I said, “hey, let’s do something!”, he gave an “I’d love to, but I’m working!” or “Maybe, I’ll call you.” Wouldn’t it be easier just to, you know, say, “Probably not, nothing personal, I just don’t see this working out/want to date you anymore/think my girlfriend, who I have gotten back together with in the meantime, would like that”? Although I guess if it were easy, we wouldn’t have anything to whine about to our girlfriends and anonymous message boards.

True that. Engaged to two different men, married twice to the same one, and then there was that journalist fellow… I suppose you could count Uncle Willie… and then there’s always Sandy and Junius…

Thanks for cheering me up! :smiley:

Yup, sounds like you’re right and I’m glad you don’t seem to heartbroken about it. From the timing and content of the text messages it seems like he may be doing it when he gets a little lonely or bored. You know, keeping you strictly on a needed-for-a-distraction basis.

I’d quit responding to his text messages. Eventually, you’re just going to start getting pissed at him for trying to play games with you.

Whoa! Back up! No no no. Guy chiming in here: Please, ask us out. If you don’t, we will, in most cases, just assume that you’re not interested (and why would you be - young, single women can pretty much pick and choose these days. There’s usually no reason for us to assume that you’re interested in *us *in particular). In fact, at least around my parts, guys have actually been socialized into thinking that if a girl doesn’t appear to be interested, she just wants to be left the heck alone. Therefore, some of us need *very *obvious clues before we realize that we have a chance of getting anywhere with a girl.

Well, at least, that’s how I feel about it. So please, at least ask *me *out. :stuck_out_tongue:

Because that would require some maturity, guts and integrity! Duh! :smiley:

Of course, I’ve been guilty of going this route on occassion, myself so I can’t really slam guys too hard for doing it. Of course, the guys I tried it with were so freaking persistant I eventually did have to give them “the talk.” Kinda like that Six Feet Under episode where this chick Rico was dating stopped returning his calls and he had her apartment manager let him into her apartment because he thought she was dead or something and she was home and was all “I thought you could take a hint.” Can you say awkward?

Maybe you need to get rid of some theater folk. One of my good buddies fell in with the theater group back at school. He’s a HUGE drama queen though. Relationships can live with one drama queen, but it’s miserable for everyone involved if there are two of em.

Carry your cell phone with you. Keep it on vibrate. Stop yourself from checking. The minute you stop checking incessantly, you know you’re free of the problem.
So…how you doin?