I was done with you a long time ago, when you failed to respond to my first argument and started insulting me and intentionally lying about my arguments.
“Glad to know I’m an anti-Semite because I am European.”
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The point was you deny the mere existence of anti-Semitism in Europe. Or, you deny that it has any effect on the media.
Just wondering, who controls the media in the United States?
Yes, but it in many areas antisemtism is the same as or not as bad as it is the United States. It also is just as periphal in the mainstream European media as it is in the US mainstream European media.
*In most areas.
Why is this thread now about Anti-semitism?
It was started as a rant against Israel’s politics. Aren’t we allowed to critize Israel’s foreign politics without being considered Anti-semitic? 
I would ask you for a cite for that assertion but you seem to take that as a personal insult; instead, let me point out that there’s a difference between TwistofFate refuting your apparent view that all Europeans are anti-Semitic and him saying that none are. See, there’s this biiiiiiig middle ground in which we see that some Europeans are anti-Semitic and others are not.
flonks: didn’t you know? Anyone who criticizes anything Israel does is anti-Semitic, according to some folks (like Ed Koch, for example). Again, there’s no middle ground; it’s one side or the other, or nothing at all. :rolleyes:
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Unfortunately not.
In the same way you cannot be concerned about innocent deaths on the other side without being viewed as pro-terrorist from some quarters.
Last week I was arguing against suicide bombers in a pub with a guy I kinda know and he started calling me a Zionist and Muslim hater. You really can’t win when with some people no matter what your viewpoint
Gyrate, thanks for the link, the guy is hilarious. Well, it would be funny if he hadn’t been mayor of NY. In reality it is sad. This guy is talking about bias, I can’t believe it…
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Once again, one of the leading straw men of all time rears its head.
Show me anywhere in this or any other thread where someone has said that criticism of Israel is equal to anti-Semitism.
Without specific reference to Beagle’s comments, it is certainly true that some virulent attacks on Israel come from anti-Semites, something we’ve seen before on the SDMB and in general.
nqk, first you were trying to mandate what could and couldn’t be discussed in this thread, and now, frustrated, you’ve declared the thread over and done with.
I hope you will use this power wisely. 
Failing to respond to your first arguement?
You actually have an arguement, and not illogical strawmen?
I thought this was an excellent question, but it was never addressed by those condeming Israel so soundly. Would anyone like to take a stab at it?
How should they react?
I’ll tell you about Dublin and Monaghan in 1974.
may 17th. 4 no warning car bombs exploded killing 33 (26 in Dublin) people. the Car bombs were planted there by Ulster loyalists (there have been allegations of British Security forces collusion).
There have been investigations on both sides of the border, but there was not one arrest made by the RUC.
an investigative programme made by Yorkshire Television made the following points
Within weeks the Gardaí had a list of 20 suspects.
The Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) had a similar list of suspects.
The suspects were connected with the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF).
The suspects included former and serving members of the Ulster Defence Regiment – a regiment of the British Army.
The main suspects were from the Portadown and Lurgan areas of mid-Ulster.
Within weeks the Gardaí knew how and by whom the bombings were carried out.
The Garda investigation was hampered in Northern Ireland.
The Irish Government did not intervene to assist.
The Garda Inquiry was wound down after only three months.
RUC HQ did not request RUC officers to arrest and interview known suspects.
The assistance of British Military Intelligence Officers in relevant areas was not sought.
There was no action focused on the Portadown area.
The UVF, acting alone, did not have the capacity to carry out these bombings.
The bombings bore the hallmarks of a sophisticated operation.
British Military Intelligence had infiltrated the UVF in Portadown.
British Military at that time was willing to allow the UVF to carry out atrocities.
Three of the suspects were being ‘run’ by British Military or RUC Special Branch for covert operations.
Now, did the Irish government send helicopters and rockets into Portadown?
While they can be criticised for perhaps not doing enough, I still believe that what they have done is on the correct path (diplomatic pressure etc.)
Is there no other option available to Israel? should Violence only beget Violence?
I condemn Israel, I started the threat, so here is me response: First of all, your comparision is wrong and taken out of context. Since I am Austrian and not American, as you suggested the real parabola should be as follows:
Austria is a neighbor of Croatia. The two countries disagree on who is the lawfull owner of most of the land covered by both countries. They have an ongoing cold war over this issue for decades.
Legally spoken, the Croatians are not even a real country, they don’t have passports. They are no-citizens and not recognized by other countries. De-facto, Austria rules the country, pulling in and out military as it wants. Austria is large military power, with tanks, helicopters and fighter planes, whereas Croatia is not allowed to have an army.
The people of the two countries are full of hatred. Austria destroys Croatian civilian infrastructure (water pipes, houses, airports, electricity etc.) as it wants. Cite Cite Cite Cite
Croatians use suicide bombers to attack civilians inside Austria. Regularily Austrian civilians die in explosions in buses and cafés.
Austria bombs the shit out of the Croatians, and doesn’t care about dead civilians. In their efforts to kill terrorist, they shoot missiles and drop 1000kg bombs on cars and houses of alleged terrorist, causing each time “collateral dammage”, women and children die, passerbys, etc.
In order to be able to claim more “Croatian” homeland (Croatia doesn’t exist, remember?), Austria spends lots of money in order to send settlers into this land. Austrian taxpayers pay a fortune for diret help, tax breaks and the additional army for the protection of these settlers.
I could write about the wall, which cuts of Croatian mainland but I think you get the idea.
Now to the point - the rocket:
The Croatians fire a rocket onto Austrian mainland, killing Austrians. Then the croatians respond by dropping some missiles on a Croatian refugee camp.
What is your point? That this was justified? Because terrorist shot at you, that you revenge that by killing innocents?
Back to the real case:
I can understand that from a human point of view, but Israel lost it’s moral “superiority” - which it never had anyway. There is no way in which you can justify that morally. That and the other actions by Israel - e.g. the wall. - There is no difference between the two sides!!
Although it is clear that both sides have gone nuts and use the power at their disposal in order to to hurt the other and kill the others, surprisingly Isreal is recognized because of the single fact that it has been democratically elected. But that doesn’t tell us anything about the moral justification of its action. Nothing.
A double standard!
I don’t think you’ll find many people here that say the perpetrators if known shouldn’t be gone after but sending in gun ships to take them out and any poor bastard that happens to be standing on the street close to them is stupid, self defeating and shows complete disregard for innocent human life. What consideration does the terrorists show Israelis? None, but they’re terrorists. Should Israelis actions be judged on terrorist standards?
Another little story from this fucked up little Island of mine about going OTT with regards to fighting terror and the mess it can make.
3 IRA terrorists were in Gibraltar getting ready to kill innocents. The Brits through their intelligence knew about this and sent a SAS team to deal with it. The two men and one woman were shot down on the street while they were away from any bomb etc. They were not arrested which they could of been very easily. They were executed on the street. Hurray I hear you say.
Except at the funeral (A really big IRA show funeral, we love our Martyrs over here) of one of the IRA people a guy called Michael Stone decided it would be a good time to take out some of the leaders of Sinn Fein and the IRA so he starts throwing grenades at the people around the grave and shooting with a handgun killing another six people.
At the funeral(another big one) of one of those six people two undercover British officers that were monitoring the funeral were spotted and their car surrounded. The men were pulled out of the car brought to a secluded area beaten, stripped and eventually shot in the head. IIRC there was also lots of rioting, civil disturbance etc.
So instead of having three known terrorists in prison. We have lots of dead people, some guilty some innocent and a extra helping of resentment and anger on both sides. Narrow minded aggressive acts very rarely help the situation.
Death on the rock
Michael Stone
Even worse than that. Two undercover officers and an off duty soldier, and they drove their car into the cortege.
sorry, getting my incidents mixed up. It was indeed two armed undercover officers, but they did drive into the cortege at high speed.
Well they tried to escape by trying to go through the crowd. Didn’t work and they died. Couldn’t blame them to be honest. Could you imagine being caught in that situation?
they shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
What, driving down a public street? What do you mean by this? 
Are you attempting to blame the victims here, that it was all their own fault they got themselves killed?
I may have been wrong when I said “monitoring”.
So it seems they may have just been driving in the wrong place at the wrong time and were recognised. However even if they were foolishly monitoring the situation they did not deserve to be killed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/northern_ireland/history/68885.stm
The first picture on that site is the car being surrounded. Horrible.
Sorry about the hijack flonks 
Absolutely not. they certainly did not deserve to die, and I hope the murderers were brought to justice.
I just think that more care should have been taken in the surveilance operation of the funeral, considering that tensions were extremely high after the recent events.