It's a slut thing Wabbit--you just don't understand

The BBQ Pit
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After there has been numerous sometimes multi-million dollar public awareness campaigns to alert people to the stupidity of such actions?

Hell no.

If somebody climbs up a mountain during the most dangerous part of the year to climb that particular mountain, and gets caught in an avalanche;

their own damn fault.

Period.

No compassion for somebody who knowingly does something stupid and dangerous. I wouldn’t have compassion for some middle class American who shot themselves playing Russian roulette either. (notice class identifier, I can understand if somebody is poor and some thug is threatening to kill their wife + kids if they don’t pay back some debts and such, hell, that, ok, I see the reasoning, but otherwise. . . . )

There is a difference between a blunder and getting drunk/stoned/otherwisefuckedup and going and sleeping with somebody who you otherwise do not know.

Not wearing proper safety gear while spraying Ortho is a blunder, if you get a headache or such then hey, while I may give you a RTFM I will understand that such things can easily happen and feel genuinely sorry that it happened to you. But Ortho is a far cry from being promiscuous.

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Dodging the masturbation question I posed, Kid?

Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:

  • s.e.
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No shit, and if you KNEW jack shit about human evolution you would know that the system of long term gender coupling came out of the comparatively long term requirements of raising a human child AND for the requirements of passing on knowledge to that child. While in the MODERN society (which does not consist of going out and picking berries for sheer subsidence) it is possible for a single parent to raise a child, that was NOT possible our specie’s past.

We ain’t worms, lots of other species out there also use one form or another of long term parenting.

That and if you cannot think past your bare instincts;

well hell, cut that brain right on out of your head and donate it to science right now if your going to admit to not using it. Yeesh.

True that, true that. And I posted on the first page of this discussion exactly such.

Hell, last time I checked, I said that I have NO PROBLEM WITH homosexuals* having all the sex that they want to with whomever that they want too. I may believe that it is a stupid decision to make, but it is indeed their decision.

I guess I /should/ thank you for agreeing with me on this point. . . . yeesh.

*And heteros who have exactly 0% chance of causing conception of a fetus. The ONLY reason I support homosexuals in this matter is because of that 0% chance. It isn’t there sexual orientation that is at issue, it is the odds of a fetus being conceived.

Which shows you how many children sleep through their sex ed classes at school. :slight_smile:

Are you fucking stupid or can you just not read?

I BITCH AT ALL PEOPLE ABOUT PROMISCUITY REGARDLESS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

yeesh.

Repeat.

REGARDLESS OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION As I have stated NUMEROUS times above, I am IN FAVOR of allowing homosexuals full legal marriage rights. In cases of people of ANY sexual orientation, it is a matter of being in a STABLE relationship.

Hell I don’t care if you have a 3, 4, or n-way relationship going and your stuffed teddy bear is in on it. Hell, it is a matter of it being a CLOSED loop.

All I am saying is that if somebody has sex outside of along term relationship that they are making a DANGER IOUS decision that has a purely SHORT TERM physical pay off with the POTENTIAL for serious LONG TERM -Physical- and -Emotional- pain and suffering and that I do NOT believe that the risks are WORTH the TEMPORARY -SHORT TERM- pleasure.

Yeesh

Now if that doesn’t get the message across I will know that you are legally blind and that your screen reader is broken. . . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

::spell checks message::

::realizes how many times he has used the phrase ‘yeesh’ in the above message::

Hmm, need to find some synonyms for that one. :slight_smile:

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“To sodomy, it’s between God and me…” - Jonathan Larson, “La Vie Bohème”, RENT.

Wait, Com2Kid is God, it seems. Thanks for Your blessing to have as much sex as I want. I shall do my duty to fulfill Your wishes.

:rolleyes:

Yeesh! :stuck_out_tongue:

  • s.e.
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How friggin fast do you think I can type? Yeesh. I have to spell check these things too ya know! :stuck_out_tongue:

Since it would be VERY hard to get an STD from masturbation (it /could/ happen and in the cases of a few select STDs is even not too horribly remote of a possibility, still quite out there, but it has happened) and there is definitely a 0% chance of pregnancy;

sure, blow yourself away.
(har har)

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Umm… you seem to be forgetting your argument that seeking sexual pleasure is, in your not-quite-humble opinion, in and of itself base and that we should be above it.

And I’ve never known a guy who could self-suck, but I’ve seen videos. Damned lucky bastards.

  • s.e.
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What if someone thinks that being promiscuous is stupid or self-destructive? If they try to show any (unsolicited yet still well-meaning) compassion at all, they are labeled a “breeder” who knows nothing. They might be far less likely to show compassion in the future. It just seems like you can’t have it both ways.

I mean, say I have a cousin who is gay and who I love dearly. Should I assume that because he is gay, and gay people are the most knowledgable about STD’s, that he is taking the proper precautions and not talk to him out of fear of offending him? What if I am wrong? Giving someone the benefit of the doubt could be a life or death decision that I’m not sure I want to make. To err on the side of caution makes the most sense to me.

Now, if a poster has been around here for any length of time, they know that the more vocal gay posters on this board are quite careful. If they only have 30 posts under their belt, maybe not so aware. I would hate to see someone like that get piled on because they dared show compassion.

Lastly, there is a thread going on right now about who the youngest poster is. There are quite a few in the 14-17 range. They read these threads too. Some are possibly gay. Even if we know the extreme importance of playing safely, reenforcing that message, no matter how redundant it is, couldn’t really hurt, could it?

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Correct, I said its stupid and that people who get sick from such activities will not be on my pity list. Didn’t say I gave a shit if they went at it or not.

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Grrrrr :slight_smile:

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I guess we won’t see you at any HIV/AIDS fundraisers anytime soon.

You’re starting to really piss me off.

  • s.e.
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Bleh, I am all for the progress of science and the founding of cures for new diseases. I believe in searching for a cure for AIDs for the sake of those people in third world countries who have NOT been properly educated about the realities of the disease and how it is spread.

Once again, if a grown adult does something stupid that they have been warned against multiple times, then it is there fault. Period.

The overall thrust of my argument is that people should take responsibility for their own actions and that if they choose to screw up their lives, that is THEIR CHOICE. I am not going to say that they do not have that right, it is all theirs. While I am all for funding educational projects encouraging people NOT to screw up their lives, if they really want to take those risks, not much that I can really do about it.

But don’t expect to find me in tears when some dipso catches <insert painful nasty way to die here> after being thoroughly warned of the dangers. I don’t care if they are gay straight or bi, their choice, their decision, their consequences.

I see it as being no different from playing Russian roulette, if some otherwise happy middle class person kills themselves playing Russian roulette, who do you think would cry for them? Hell, nobody, the person did something stupid, they paid for it. I’ll support research in treating headshot wounds, but damned if it is because of those people who shot themselvse in the head on purpose just for the hell of it.

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The problem is, not everyone considers having promiscuous sex, or sex outside of a long-term relationship, or sex outside of marriage, as “screwing up their lives.”

In fact, some of us, me included, will one day have sex not under the aegis of marriage. I don’t believe that marriage, as it is currently instuted, has any particular value for me. However, I think sex is valuable, both out-and-out fucking like minks for the sheer pleasure and that peculiar animal that is referred to in most romance novels called “lovemaking.” I see no reason to deny myself the pleasure of either.

I will take reasonable cautions. I am exceedingly choosy about who I will and will not sleep with, and what I will and will not do with that/those person(s).

I strongly dislike persons like yourself, who come in and dictate that my decisions about how I wish to live are “screwing up my life.”

My life is plenty screwed up, but sex has nothing to do with that. Literally.

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If your life DOES get screwed up, then it very well would have, err, screwed up your life. I have seen people die from AIDs, it ain’t pretty, in fact it downright sucks. Nasty way to go. Avoiding Painful Awful Icky Deaths is rather high up there on my To Do list, right along side remembering not to stab myself with any sharp objects.

In fact you could kind of say that doing both of those have become second nature to me;

no wait;

first nature. Yes definitely in innate thing, the whole entire desiring NOT to die in a slow and painful and icky manner.

Once again, please kindly read ALL of my posts and not just the parts that piss you off.

I have no issue with people having sex outside of marriage, I admit that marriage as it currently is implemented has its flaws and is definitely not for everyone.

I could go through some medical image libraries and give you a whole shit pile of good reasons why not to, but your little self obsessed “I don’t give a flying fuck what happens to me in the future” queen of the earth stupid mindfucked never evolved past the slug stage brain likely wouldn’t recognize them as something that could ever happen to anybody like the ohgreatandwonderious you.

So some day if you are found lying in a bed to weak to get up withering in pain;

excuse me if I don’t give a damn, but hey, I told ya so.

Good for you, but personally, when given the choice between “Not dying horrible excruciating death” and “having a very small chance of dying horrible excruciating death” I will take the “not dying horrible excruciating death” option any day.

Who the hell is dictating? I said that it has the POTENTIAL to and that even RISKING that potential is a STUPID THING TO DO.

::sighs::

Here, I will put it in a bit more of a short term perspective so that your brain does not quite have to reach so far out into that ohsopainful thing called the future.

Say somebody offers to give you, oh, say, 15 of the most wondrous multiple orgasms in the world. (I am assuming from your name that you are female. Though if male this may very well have extra incentive. :smiley: )

But in order to collect, you had to sit out in the middle of a large interstate during a time of medium traffic for 20 minutes while the person ‘did their handy work.’

Now while it is very likely that nothing would happen to you and that some naked female lying in the middle of an interstate would cause traffic to stop,

well hell, WOULD YOU? I mean seriously, there is always the possibility of some jackass in a hurry or some dipso on their cellphone who wouldn’t even be paying attention and who would end up running you over. Assuming you are sane, then indeed, odds are you would say no.

Now instead of “being hit by oncoming car while c…”

no too easy.

Now instead of “being hit by car while getting laid” your danger went to

“Catch STD while getting laid, bad shit happens 5-6 years down line.”

What would you do? From what it sounds like, because the danger is made not quite so obvious, you would have no problem dallying around. Danger is still there, it has just changed in size from an SUV to a microbe.

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Com2Kid, do you ever leave your house?

Esprix

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Um, Com2Kid,

One thing to keep in mind while you’re ranting at me.

I’m a virgin.

That’s right. You read that correctly.

What I am objecting to, since you seem to have trouble grasping it, is that you are telling me (and musicguy, and Hamish, and matt_mcl and Esprix and anyone else that comes to mind)

that I’m an idiot for choosing to live my life as I see fit.

This is my problem with you.

There are sex acts I can engage in that will have no significant risk of AIDS. Several, that I can think of right off the top of my head.

After all, not all sex is about penetration - either being the penetrator or the penetratee. But I suppose I shouldn’t expect you to know that, should I?

And, as far as not caring what happens to me in the future, well, Hell. You believe what you like, dear.

And I’ll go ahead and care about you when we hear you’ve blown a blood vessel in your brain from all this not caring about other people. Sorry. I warned you.

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I still would like to know…if, putting Com2Kid and his wackiness aside for a moment…if a friend came up to me and ranted of the details of his or her twelve man train they pulled last Tuesday, can I voice my concerns that they practiced safe sex or is that preachy? And must I automatically voice a hearty appreciation for their endurance and creativity or can I react in some other way?

I’m being honest…because I can’t say that sometimes I want to say to Esprix that he’s very valuable and a great part of this board and I want him to make sure that he’s careful (which I’m sure he is)…but I don’t want to preach to him…I just want him to know that we want him around for a long time.

I don’t know. Maybe I’m overly concerned.

J

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Hokay Miller, you raise a valid point when you ask why I feel obligated to post my concerns with promiscuity is so I’ll give you the bare bones reason why without running afoul of the TMI rule. :wink: Back in the mists of time when I was a young lad, I had a crush (I was far too immature to have any deeper emotional attachment to her so this isn’t one of those ‘true love’ type of situations) on a young lady who eventually left to go find herself. While doing this, she managed to contract AIDS. The stark difference in her from when she left to when she came back to die had a huge impact on me: like I said, it looked like something was eating her from the inside out. As an aside, this is also why I get a bit irate when people label AIDS as a ‘gay problem’ because I can’t help but think that if it had hit the straight population first perhaps more public awareness and monetary resources would have been spent containing it early on. Maybe then she’d be alive and we wouldn’t have millions of people dying around the world from this disease. FWIW, this http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2001747#post2001747 is the thread that started this whole issue for me. It just seemed to me that matt was engaging in what I consider an unhealthy act and he was receiving no word’s of caution from his fellow Dopers in that thread. I posted my views on his actions and, to his credit, matt attempted to explain his reasoning in a polite, non-confrontational way. I still didn’t get it, but I figured I’d leave it alone and see if I could find out where he was coming from by reading some more posts (especially the Esprix archives) :wink: but that didn’t provide an answer either.

Now I accept (as Jarbabyj pointed out) that it was inappropriate for me to post in gobear’s thread and my only excuse for that is that it was done out of a deep sense of frustration. It seemed like y’all just weren’t ‘getting it’. So you all have my apologies for that but I simply cannot understand how an intelligent person who is well-educated and responsible (and all the people I’m conversing with here are that or they wouldn’t be using protection in the first place) could condone a promiscuous lifestyle. You are not safe simply because you practice safe sex (this attitude that all is well now that we have protease inhibitors is extremely troubling to me); a much more effect way of protecting yourself would be to have a limited number of partners–ideally one–who you knew and trusted and who is periodically tested for STD’s. I understand that people are just trying to have a good time, but is sex with multiple partners so much better than sex with one that it makes increasing your risk of contracting a STD worth it? If you want intense sex, try Tantric Buddhism: I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised how much better sex is when you move beyond it simply being a physical act. I also understand that life is risky and that this particular risk can be (and is by most of the people here) managed. However, if you could avoid dying of a horrible disease (lets say Ebola which is an equally destructive disease but which, because it’s effects are more immediate I suppose, tends to resonate more with the general public) simply by stopping a certain behavior, wouldn’t you do it? I certainly would and I can’t see why other people wouldn’t. The only reason I can come up with that people wouldn’t is either because they refuse to believe it can happen to them–the more likely one in my mind–or they’re so addicted to said behavior that it’s impossible for them to quit. But even if you’re addicted to casual sex with multiple partners, why not get a group of like minded individuals together, get everyone tested and practice casual sex amongst yourselves? Even that would be healthier than just picking up some random person in a bar.

And the skydiver analogy doesn’t work for me: if a skydiver’s parachute fails his/her skydiving career usually comes to a rather abrupt and spectacular end. If someone gets an STD they can continue the activity that gave them this disease for quite some time (knowing or unknowingly), potentially spreading the consequences of their actions to anyone they come in intimate contact with. So it’s your body–I don’t argue that–but what you’re doing with it could be a potential threat to your partners so this really isn’t an issue of letting an individual doing what they want in my mind. It’s more of an issue of respecting and being responsible to yourself and others.

Oh and Hastur, you cracked me up when you noted how ironic it was that someone nicknamed Wabbit was lecturing people on safe sex. I’d never considered that aspect of my nickname and can only offer in my defense that I was thinking of the epic battles between Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny when I came up with it. Maybe I should consider taking the Road Runner handle, just to avoid confusion ya know… :wink:

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If you know that the person uses safe sex (and they don’t say anything to you that suggests that they might have forgotten), then I’d hesitate before mentioning it.

If this is the first time they’ve ever behaved in this fashion that you know of then it’d be okay to ask, I would think, or express concern.

If they specifically say “safe(r) sex” or “condom” (unless the sentence also contains the word “tore”) then I doubt it needs mentioning. Although, for some of the guys around here, that’d be too much mentioning of safe(r) sex or condoms, I suspect. :wink: (Lurve you all. Really.)

If you’re not comfortable with the IRL person telling you about their “sexploits” then let them know that. Gently, unless you know for a fact that the sledgehammer method is necessary.

If the person is a raging nitwit, Hell, say whatever you’d like. They won’t hear it anyway.

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Wabbit, I believe you’ve got me and matt_mcl confused.

Com2Kid, you piss the shit out of me because you’re now taking the “If they get AIDS, they deserve it” approach, which is fucking insulting.

Oh, the innocents who got it through blood transfusions. Poor them.

But the faggots who contracted HIV and later developed AIDS in the late 70s and early 80s deserved it, even though they had no idea what was going on, and later, what to do.

Hmm. Which community was the first to mobilize and provide not only safe®-sex education and dole out free condoms?

Not the str8 community, that’s for sure.

So don’t give me that “they deserve(d) it” bullshit. It’s tired, and fucking homophobic as all hell.

Here’s a butt plug I fashioned out of barbed wire. (I leanred how on “Martha Stewart Living”.) Since I’m a tech writer, I could write you instructions on where to shove it, but I think you can figure it out on your own (at least when you get back in from recess). Now sit and spin.

And wait until matt_mcl chimes back in to this thread.

  • s.e.