It's still not safe to be a woman.

This is a quick, hasty account of a psycho stalker. I’m glad the SDMB is here for this purpose, and I hope some of you understand the rage I’m still feeling. I will try to clarify my rough thoughts later…

Let’s see. Sitting in my local bar, he offers me a drink, we talk about this and that. After a while I point out a weakness. As a lawyer who knows something about the local landlord tenant law, he is at risk of a lawsuit because of an illegal sublet. Huge argument ensues and doesn’t relent. But later he says that he’s like a child, who pulls the ponytails of the girls he likes. He doesn’t usually like girls and he likes me. That’s nice, I say. More arguing, and I tolerate too much from such an asshole. Everyone is for sale is his basis for understanding everything. After a couple more drinks, he starts acting nice, which I comment on: “You’re drunk.” Then he puts his hand on my leg and I tell him I don’t like it. Friendly and all that. He makes a deal out of it. It escalates to something. He starts ranting about how I shouldn’t act that way, considering he had bought me drinks. OH MY GOD. Let me ask you something, how were you raised… what would your mother say if she heard how you were talking to me? How dare you bring my mother into this! No no no I’m asking you a real question – what would your mother say? Fuck you! I bought you drinks and now you’re talking to me like this??!! You’re nothing but a fucking whore!

Well, I must excuse myself for under-reacting. So I brought it upon myself. The loser apologized, but continued throwing a fit, then found some girls who would put up with him. He explained everything I had done, talking shit, loudly, for my benefit. “She thinks she knows more about law than me, just because she’s gone to law school!” Oh dear. It’s a bit distracting really, but I carry on talking to some people I know. Later he comes to the bar and lingers. I ask for a cigarette and he says no way. Why not? He says something stupid and returns to the girls and explains that I asked for a cigarette and he said no. Bragging about how childish he acted. (Who are these girls who are finding this interesting?) Later the girls leave and it’s just him, me, and my friends. I ask for a cigarette, and he doesn’t realize that I’m doing him a favor at this point. He can offer me a cigarette without wounding his pride and all is well. I offer him to play in the stupid childish game we’re all playing. But no, he wants an apology for his hurt feelings. So I actually give it (!), because why not? He’s acting like a child and I want it to go way. I say I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. That wasn’t my intention. He seems to appreciate it. OK, we’re not treating him like the asshole he is. But it’s 5 am and the bartender (a woman, a friend) wants to go. Goodnight Tony (the asshole). What me? I have to go? Yeah. There’s three of us, and it’s clear he has to go first. I’m sure as hell not leaving until he’s gone. I say goodnight, I’m going to the ladies room then I’m gone. He follows me to the bathroom saying some shit, and I just say no. He convinced the bartender that I said he was going to walk me home. When I return she asks me, I say no and he’s gone. He had left $20! Yahoo she got a good tip! She pours me another drink and we unwind to talk about what an asshole he was. He reappears, wanting his $20. Fair enough. She says Lock the door after him. Of course. As he leaves he says oh why lock the door, and I say well, there’s just the two of us and we better be careful and he says YEAH SINCE YOU’RE SUCH A WHORE! Oh yeah, I say. WHAT DID YOU SAY?? He charges at the door. I’m locking it as he’s pushing and the bartender is coming after him screaming how the fuck dare you try to enter my bar you fucker. So we close the door and he stands there for about a half an hour. Eventually he walks away. But he circles around for another hour and a half. That fucking fucker.

That fucking fucker. Loser, acting like child. Who believes that when he doesn’t get his way with a woman it’s OK to threaten her. Thinking that someone like me would be threatened. Thinking that someone like the bartender would fucking allow him to get away with it. When both of us are bigger than him and either one of us could take him out. And neither one of us would fucking think twice about it. I was a bit disappointed when he wasn’t around when we left. Funny though, we thought the coast was clear, but we spied him waiting at the corner diner. But that was it. Fucking loser. Thinks he can intimidate women because we’re physically weaker than him. But funny, because in this case we weren’t.

Damn, I was wishing we would have had the chance.

Oh, I was just remembering something he was yelling to these women: “She has all these morals and stuff, trying to help people! She thinks that’s more important than making money!” God, he was a sad example of a human being.

Tune in tomorrow for another exciting episode of Alcoholic Theater.

No kidding Jack. Seems to me if the guy was such a jerk (and it sounds like he was a top notch jerk) she shouldn’t have been letting him buy her drinks. And then she asks him for a cigarette?? WTF? :confused:

I think they were made for each other. Chula, you poor tortured and abused soul. :rolleyes:

Crikey. I apologise on behalf of my sex.

People like this are the reason I’d rather be studying than getting out more often.

seriously… your spidey senses told you that he was a loser, so why the fuck did you ask to bum a cig off him?

he was distracted by the other chicks but you didn’t leave him alone.

fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice, shame on me

don’t ya think?

Learn yourself some Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Next time some asshole tries pulling a stunt like this, tell him, “Do you want some BJJ?” which he’ll mistake for a stuttered BJ. Any of you familiar with the old Hawaiin Punch commercials (“Hey mister! Do you want some Hawaiin Punch?”) can see what’s coming. Then go for a triangle choke. He’ll think he’s getting some until you lock your legs and cut off the blood flow to his brain. Hold six seconds, let him pass out, release. Now he’s unconscious but otherwise unhurt, and you can get back to your drink. Royce Gracie would be proud.

I’ve got Tom Waits tinkling the ivories somewhere over in the corner of this joint, world-weary, pork-pie hat sitting at a slight angle and cigarette burning away in the ashtray.
Hey Toffe, you want me to apologise to everyone for your inane, insulting and plain stupid comment ? Btw, the word you need is ‘gender’, not ‘sex’.

You were not doing anybody any favors by asking him for cigarettes - twice.

People do stupid things when they are drunk. You may want to consider how many people in your scenario fit that description.

Regards,
Shodan

Feel free, asshole.

If you already knew he was a loser, why did you ‘let’ him buy you more drinks?

What do you think the proper response would’ve been?

Maybe he really didn’t want more involvement with someone who was going to yell at him?

Bullshit. You were being nice to him when it suited your purposes to get something out of him (drinks, cigarettes) and mean when it didn’t. That is in no way ‘doing him a favor’, it’s being a user.

And repeatedly having someone you already know you don’t like and have no intention of talking to or flirting with buy you drinks and asking him for cigarettes isn’t childish? No wonder so many men think that women are ‘takers’.

Think you can get stuff out of men just cause you’re a woman and that he won’t take that as a sign of interest? Who are you deluding?

To what?

There’s really no reason to apologize for a guy who got angry after someone used him to get free drinks and cigarettes even though she figured he was a loser already.

This is the kind of behavior that is the reason I have so few female friends. I can’t stand women who go out to bars expecting that they can mooch drinks out of guys and not give the guys any idea that there’s some kind of mutual interest. Men are not ATMs. If you don’t like some guy, don’t fucking get drinks off of him. Buy your own drinks and you won’t have someone suspecting that acceptance of his drinks is (as is standard in a bar) also an acceptance of flirting.

Chula, from your re-telling of the story, it seems to me that you were equally to blame for his boorish behavior. You were giving him, at the very least, mixed signals. At the most, you were using him to get free drinks and cigarettes all night.

If you don’t want his attention, ignore him. Don’t accept drinks from him. Don’t apologize to him when you didn’t mean it. And don’t bum cigarettes from him.

It’s no surprise he wanted to “walk you home” afterward. Duh.

And FTR, he’s not a psycho stalker; he’s just a drunk idiot. There’s a big difference and I hope you never experience the former. Because then you WILL have my sympathy.

Go get 'em, you message board tiger.

Being a little hard on chula, I think. If she was using this guy to get drinks and cigarettes and planning to disappoint him at the end of the night, that’s not nice, obviously. But he loses my sympathy when he starts acting in a threatening manner toward her. If I were him, and I suspected I were being used, I think I would have excused myself and gone to talk to someone else. No reason to get all in her face like that.

I would’ve called her a bitch or a whore or worse if I were him. There’s no excuse for weasling drinks and cigarettes out of someone only to treat him like shit when he takes it as a sign of interest.

This thread should be titled ‘It’s still not safe to be a woman who uses men like cash dispensers.’

(And before anyone asks, no I’m not a jilted guy who buys women drinks. I’m not even a guy.)

You poor deluded child. Remind me to keep my sons away from you when you grow up.

Uh huh, you phrased this as if you had nothing to do with the “huge argument.” Hey, you’re just sitting there drinking and arguing back at an angry drunk until 5 a.m. right? You were reading poetry quietly to yourself while he argued alone, I suppose.

Don’t argue with drunk people. Some people get angry and do things that they may not remember the next day. Alcohol makes other people (you in this case) stupid, blaming, and manipulative. Put the two together and you’ve got a bar fight. Smarten up.

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I would’ve called her a bitch or a whore or worse if I were him. There’s no excuse for weasling drinks and cigarettes out of someone only to treat him like shit when he takes it as a sign of interest.

If that’s what she did to him (which is not totally clear, BTW), I agree that it’s not a nice thing to do, but to say she deserves verbal abuse and humiliation for it? That’s going too far. She didn’t have a contract with the guy that she’d let him touch her boobies if he bought her drinks. Yet he still made the decision to buy them. Or maybe you’re under the impression that men are uncontrollably compelled to take out their wallets and throw money around whenever they see a pair of batting eyelashes. If you are, you’re not giving us enough credit.

I think she was perfectly within her rights to tell him to take his hand off her leg; the price of a drink or two doesn’t give you the right to feel my thigh, or to insult my mother or myself. However, after she realized what an asshole he was being, it was time to cut off contact with him. Sounds like alcohol had a bad effect on two people.

And of course, he had zero right to get threatening.

“Psycho stalker”, huh?

In a pig’s eye :rolleyes:

And the OP doesn’t even title the thread “The asshole drunk who gave me undeserved grief” (debatable) but “It’s still not safe to be a woman”. Sorry, what am I missing here? :confused:

Yeah, sounds like the guy was a real turd. But then trying to bum cigarettes off of him, well, that’s just plain stoopid. Why even talk to him anymore at that point? You just kept the fire burning.

And if you and the bartender were so hot to get into a fight with him (as the end of your story implies), then why didn’t you? He waited outside for half an hour, then circled around for another 1.5 hours. Sounds like the two of you had plenty of time to show how tough you were and take care of him.