January 6th Hearing-Adjacent Discussion Thread

Good luck. Republican elected officials are actually on record as wanting to eliminate laws against espionage. They literally want to make spying and revealing the countries nuclear secrets to foreign enemies legal. Because they think Trump did it.

A politician on the record is about as meaningful as when Hollywood writes, “Based on a True Story”.

Quote: “The breach is way beyond what we thought,”

This could give a perfect excuse for new laws to require voting exclusively by mail as we do in my state. -Safe and secure.
Once you’ve done it, you’ll never go back to standing in line in all sorts of weather (after work) and voting on a now compromised/questionable machine.
I’m personally a more informed voter at home when research is at my fingertips.

Which is why Republicans are strongly against this. Informed voters? No way in hell they want that.

So much this. I was able to vote by mail for the 2020 elections for the first time thanks to the pandemic. While I do of course do research before going to the polling place it was so nice to be able to just pick up my phone or go to my computer and type in “What is ballot measure X?” Or “Who is X?” and be able to pull up as much info as I wanted and read as long as I wanted before making a choice. Particularly for minor non-partisan down ballot races where I may not even recognize names outside of random signs scattered throughout town.

So are you saying Senator Paul (R-KY) was joking when he said that? Or that he’s just a liar?

I ask because I knew Randy in High School and college and I don’t recall him being a big jokester. Nor do I recall him being a liar but of course since he is now in politics…

I find it especially helpful in the primaries. (I don’t need research in the general since no Republican will ever get my vote.) I like to dig into candidates’ websites to determine who’s truly got the experience to do the job they’re shooting for. Since I’m a marketing guy, I’m also looking for good design chops and smart use of language, because my ultimate criterion for all Dem candidates is their ability to beat the Republican.

Pence is saying he just might testify to the Jan 6 committee.

I wonder if he considers a subpoena to be an invitation.

I suspect the January 6th Committee will use the less compelling method of inviting, since Pence has publicly indicated his willingness to “consider” it. Meaning he will show up and testify.

I believe Pence will retain more control over how his testimony is presented if he comes at a behest rather than due to a subpoena, and the Committee is eager to show him as a cooperating witness rather than a hostile one.

Pretty good development, I think.

I want to hear from the fly on Pence’s head. That fly knows shit!

What a tease he is! Of course, the committee has an open invitation for anyone with information to share.
But he wants them to ask him. Oh, he’s so cute!

Why do you believe “consider” suggests an intent to comply? As a lawyer these past 35 years, my inclination is to translate that as, “disregard unless absolutely forced to comply.” If he wanted to say anything, I see no reason why he would need to await a special invite. Whatever you may think of Pence, he is an absolute master of weasel words.

At the risk of mixing metaphors, I’ll agree he’s a weasel. But…

Pence didn’t have to say anything publicly at all. Previously, he’s made it clear he had no wish to testify to the Committee – and suddenly now he’s publicly saying he’ll “consider” it? That’s practically like raising his skirts above his ankle to show a little leg. I believe he’s inviting the Committee to invite him.

I’m not sure the Committee even wants his testimony at this point, having gotten that of Marc Short and Greg Jacob. Pence may have wished to signal a “willingness” to testify, knowing he won’t be invited.

He also came out strongly this morning against GOPers who are trashing the FBI and told them to knock it off.

He’s slowly unsticking himself from Trump. Giving damaging testimony against Trump to the Committee at a strategic moment could be part of his efforts.

Probably worth noting he made his statements while in New Hampshire, an important state for any candidate considering a presidential run.

He’s dead, but not forgotten.

As I read it, he offered that IRT a question during a Q&A following a speech he gave. It isn’t as tho he came up with the idea of talking about this on his own. No indication he included such things in his speech. So, when asked a direct question, he weaseled. Not sure what other, better options were available for a weasel.

(Just saying - I have dealt with lawyers most of every working day for my entire career. This is what a vast majority of lawyers - and politicians - do. Pence is both. You hear a lawyer/politician speaking clearly and definitively, there’s a darn good chance they are pontificating, talking about something that will never happen, or talking about something that is of absolutely no importance and/or not subject to any disagreement.)

Sure, and that’s true for me, too. But:

“I’m focused on the future of our country and what’s best for the Republican Party. I haven’t given it much thought recently. Thanks for your question.” Then smile and move on.

It’s not that hard to dodge giving an answer. I mean, if I can do it, anyone can do it. Even Pence.

We’ll see soon if they invite him – and if he agrees to testify.

In text I read “due consideration” as “I will wipe my ass with it.” (Assuming the request comes on a piece of paper.)

ETA: Actually, on further consideration lo these many seconds later, I’m going to walk that back. If it’s something I truly believe is a sham, I would not say that I’d give a request from them due consideration because I wouldn’t want to lend it any legitimacy at all.

Like if the cyber ninjas sent a request during their stupid audit, I wouldn’t expect a liberal to say “I’ll give it due consideration.” I would think they would take that opportunity to point out that the entire exercise is ridiculous.

Reminds me of what I most often think when people say, “With all due respect…” :wink:

I agree with Aspenglow on this one matter.
He is obviously starting his run for 2024, and he would love an opportunity to sit in front of a large audience of Americans and deliver his s l o w, faux profound sounding views and appear statesman like. He could easily negotiate a setting where he is the only witness or focus for one hearing. It would be a ninety to a hundred and twenty minute political add for him.

Also, the question did not come from the audience, it came from a moderator or someone at the podium with him (maybe his future campaign manager). Speaking to the Select Committee would be the perfect opportunity to play both the “Trump and I accomplished so much together” and the “Until he went off the rails and tried to cheat to win while I made the choice to take the correct and moral actions”

Now with Trump having so many smoke sources around him that everyone on the right has to be asking if there isn’t some fire somewhere, it is finally safe to call out Trump and paint himself as the real hero of January 6th.

Pence would LOVE to speak to the Jan. 6th Committee as long as he gets to be the star of his own hearing.